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#1 Gun Geek

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Posted 16 December 2003 - 10:14 PM

Give me you votes and comments. I'm part of starting a new IDPA club and though thtis software might be interesting.

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Posted 17 December 2003 - 06:45 AM

I don't like the way the IDPA program sorts people and the outputs. For the club I help with I made up a scoring program in Excel using some VB macros and input panels. Then the match data can be sorted properly and then emailed out in a form people can do something with. For local matches, I don't like the division class break-out, so I came up with my own.

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Posted 17 December 2003 - 08:05 AM

You willing to share?

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Posted 17 December 2003 - 09:07 PM

sure shoot me an email, please include your return email address.

only condition is you can't use it as the base for any commercial software development. the spreadsheet and any further enhancements must remain free to the shooting public.

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Posted 18 December 2003 - 09:01 PM

Not the greatest or most intuitive software around but it sure beats using excel for me. Then again I don't get into creating macros so it's probably me. I like the ability to export in several ways. It would be nice if you could incorporate an email function to shoot results out only to the shooters that were in the match. I went ahead and created a website and posted scores there. Life was much easier after that.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 09:17 PM

I prefer the sheet I made in Excel. If they want to make it better, don't password protect it. That way we can get into the database and start working on it.
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 08:54 AM

I prefer Excel, too.

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Posted 11 March 2004 - 08:46 PM

My home club has a NICE Excel sheet we have used for a couple of state matches. Instructions included!!!

Check the link out:
http://www.ccidpa.org/scoresht.html
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 10:09 AM

I am in scoring hell.

I agreed to score an IDPA match for the first time, with nine stages and over thirty shooters.

The software on the IDPA website is a counterintuitive dog.

I'm trying to use a spreadsheet I received with previous results, but it's tedious.

Any suggestions for something better?

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Posted 18 October 2004 - 10:27 AM

Rhino,
I used to do it in my head. (The arithmetic for each stage that is) I still think that it might be easiest to just use a calculator....
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 02:15 PM

Rhino,

Contact Jane at http://www.beachbunnysoftware.com and see if you can use a beta version of her yet to be released IDPA scoring software called ForScore. It is the best thing out there.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 03:12 PM

I'll check it out ... thanks guys.

Now ... since I posted that message, I got all of the data into a spreadsheet and it looks like I got all of the numbers right.

But I don't seem to know how to sort rows based on the values in a specific column (i.e. total time). I tried to use the help feature in Excel, but it was ... vague.

It's probably pretty simple ... hints, please?

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Posted 18 October 2004 - 03:34 PM

I'll check it out ... thanks guys.

Now ... since I posted that message, I got all of the data into a spreadsheet and it looks like I got all of the numbers right.

But I don't seem to know how to sort rows based on the values in a specific column (i.e. total time). I tried to use the help feature in Excel, but it was ... vague.

It's probably pretty simple ... hints, please?

First, hightlight the whole speadsheet (or all the cells with data)

Top row...

Data > Sort > Asending > Column (where ever you have the totals).
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 05:37 PM

Thanks! I'll give it a go!


Okay ... I'm a silly goose. For some reason, I looked in every menu but "Data" before I asked for help here. When I did what Flex$ said to do, the sort criteria were already there, saved with the spreadsheet.

It worked fine. I am a doofus!

Thanks again!

Edited by rhino, 18 October 2004 - 05:44 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2004 - 07:24 AM

The IDPA software blows chunks. I picked up a fairly basic spreadsheet from someone (sorry, I can't remember who) and tweaked it out quite a bit. It works and looks pretty good.

You can see an example of the output here:

http://scarfg.org/id...1704/071704.htm

It's not easy to use just yet, still working out the bugs...

- Gabe

PS: I had a 40-second malf at that match...that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :)

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 08:23 AM

One of my pet peeves for IDPA scorekeepers that use Excel is that they don't sort the final results properly. Specifically the standard Class sort will be alphabetical so it will come out EX, MA, MM, NV, SS instead of MA, EX, SS, MM, NV. To get it to come out correctly requires a little bit of Excel "magic". Luckily I know this particular trick and am willing to share. :P

First you've got to creat a custom sort list for the IDPA class abbreviations.

Click Tools...Options...(opens new window)
Custom Lists tab...(Add NEW LIST) MA, EX, MM, SS, NV or whatever is
desired
Click OK to submit

Then to sort in IDPA order (Division, then Class, then Final Score) you use your new custom sort list.

Select the cells to be sorted.

You have to do two sorts to get it right. For the first sort:

Click Data...Sort...(opens new window)
Options...(opens new window)
Select your new custom sort list, OK
Select your sort columns/header names as needed for
Class, then
Division, then
Final Score
Click OK to submit

Then do a second sort:

Click Data...Sort...
Options...
Select Normal, OK
Division
(none)
(none)
Click OK to submit

Now the results should look right!

Hope this helps,

-Vincent


PS: Or you could just use ForScore and all of this stuff is handled automatically.
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 09:23 AM

I prefer to see the results (by division) in order of finish. I don't think it makes as much sense to display them based on class, unless it's a secondary view.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 01:27 PM

In case you weren't following my previous post. What the instructions generate is a set of results that looks like "normal" IDPA style results:

CDP MA 1st
CDP MA 2nd (etc)
CDP EX 1st
CDP EX 2nd (etc)
CDP SS 1st
CDP SS 2nd (etc)
CDP MM 1st
CDP MM 2nd (etc)
CDP NV 1st
CDP NV 2nd (etc)

ESP MA 1st (etc)
(through)
ESP NV 1st (etc)

SSP MA 1st (etc)
(through)
SSP NV 1st (etc)

SSR MA 1st (etc)
(through)
SSR NV 1st (etc)

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Sanctioned match results are supposed to be sorted by Division, Class, and Final Score (like above). Each Division and Class stands alone for awards so you need to know who was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc in each Division+Class designation in addition to Division Champion.

Any type of overall results are considered "unofficial" and therefore usually viewed as secondary. In overall results I usually don't even sort by division since most folks just want to see how they did against everyone straight up.
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 03:09 PM

I am with Rhino...when I am looking at IDPA scores, it seems silly when the EX with a faster time is further down the page than the MA's s/he has beat.

Pretty easy to go down the list and find the first, second & third in each class of a division.
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 08:44 PM

Jane's IDPA scoring software is the bomb!!!!!!
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Posted 24 October 2004 - 10:04 AM

The reason in IDPA that scores are grouped together based on class (i.e. MM, SS, EXP, MA, etc.) is based on the concept that you are ONLY competing with people in your class. It's also important to remember that if you win your class at a major match, you are automatically moved to the next higher class on the spot (if you win your class with a score that beats others in even higher classes, you may be leapfroged over the next class and be moved to an even higher class). IDPA methods and procedures differ from USPSA and IPSC and cannot be viewed with the same rationale. It would be like comparing a steel match to a bullseye match, two completely different sports.
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Posted 24 October 2004 - 10:12 AM

I am in scoring hell.

I agreed to score an IDPA match for the first time, with nine stages and over thirty shooters.

The software on the IDPA website is a counterintuitive dog.

I'm trying to use a spreadsheet I received with previous results, but it's tedious.

Any suggestions for something better?

I ran the scoring for two monthly USPSA matches for 6 years using MSS and Easy Winscore. The largest matches had upwards of 50 people. It took at least 35 to 45 minutes (based on 5-6 stages of scoresheets) to enter the times, penalties, etc.

With the IDPA Scoring software, I do the same in 15 minutes. The scoresheets are much more simple and intuitive since everything is based on the Vickers Count scoring system and the only component entered is time. Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I find the IDPA software very simple and fast.
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Posted 25 October 2004 - 06:20 PM

The IDPA software blows chunks. I picked up a fairly basic spreadsheet from someone (sorry, I can't remember who) and tweaked it out quite a bit.  It works and looks pretty good.

You can see an example of the output here:

http://scarfg.org/id...1704/071704.htm

It's not easy to use just yet, still working out the bugs...

- Gabe

PS:  I had a 40-second malf at that match...that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it  :)

I like the fact you can see other penalties in addition to points down. I don't like the sorting method. As others have stated seeing it sorted by Division then Class is a much better way to go. You might already have this capability.

It's an interesting and timely thread...still looking.
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Posted 11 November 2004 - 07:24 PM

Go with Janes Software or Scott Craigs Program, The Scott Craig Program is Free and is very easy to use..

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Posted 11 November 2004 - 07:43 PM

Which is Scott Craig's program?




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