[Charles Bond]

I did a limited search on this topic and could not find anything much on point. The most helpful thread was what to use on a spinner and that one focused more on how to shoot the spinner than what type and size of buck to use?

Does anyone have any specific recommendations for stages that require buckshot?

What brand?

What size? I would think 4s would be best but I am not sure.

Managed/Limited Recoil or not?

While I too load some of my own birdshot, I am not going to be using enough buck at matches to be interested in adding that to my list of homemade ammo.

Lastly, my benelli is set up to fire the light loads like a house afire.

[Sterling White]

Hi Charles,

I try to keep several packs of different types in my cache when I roll out to a match. When you go first on a stage you do not have the benefit of judging whether or not the steel is heavy. When you have the benefit of watching other then you can gauge which load to use and/or the choke. Buy several different types of buck and take them to range to check patterns and recoil. If you have a popper at your disposal run it out at different distances and set it up heavy. Just some thoughts....

[Charles Bond]

Sterling White, on Nov 17 2009, 12:23 AM, said:

Hi Charles,

I try to keep several packs of different types in my cache when I roll out to a match. When you go first on a stage you do not have the benefit of judging whether or not the steel is heavy. When you have the benefit of watching other then you can gauge which load to use and/or the choke. Buy several different types of buck and take them to range to check patterns and recoil. If you have a popper at your disposal run it out at different distances and set it up heavy. Just some thoughts....

Thanks Sterling. I usually have the box of high brass #6s for distant or heavy steel and I have never needed anything stronger. But I am going soon to a match where we will bs shooting buck on paper IPSC style and I have nover done that.

[richbug]

Charles Bond, on Nov 17 2009, 07:29 AM, said:

But I am going soon to a match where we will bs shooting buck on paper IPSC style and I have nover done that.

You really want to paste 27 to 54 holes in that paper(from #4 buck)? Pasters are expensive... If I design a stage, I specify 0, 00, or 000 in the stage description.

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[AFH]

Hi Charles,

Try some Federal Flight-Control 00 Buckshot. The pattern is approximately 1/2 to 2/3 the size of 'regular' buckshot at any given distance. This will be especially useful at the HPSC, and probably the PanAmSG.

BTW, last year Trapr required no more than 9 pellet 00 buck. I haven't checked the rules for this year, but will do so now!!

Andy

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[Charles Bond]

AFH, on Nov 17 2009, 08:16 AM, said:

Hi Charles,

Try some Federal Flight-Control 00 Buckshot. The pattern is approximately 1/2 to 2/3 the size of 'regular' buckshot at any given distance. This will be especially useful at the HPSC, and probably the PanAmSG.

BTW, last year Trapr required no more than 9 pellet 00 buck. I haven't checked the rules for this year, but will do so now!!

Andy

Thanks Andy. That is exactly the advice I was looking for and I want to get it now before I get disappointed with a "sorry out of stock" message later. For anyone else who might be looking I found it here: http://www.ammoman.c...bstore_12GA.htm

[bigbrowndog]

Charles its nice to know you are finally starting to familiarize yourself with the intricacies of multigun and SG in particular.

Its amazing how much differs from what most people are familiar with, or think they know.

trapr

[Sterling White]

Hey Charles,

Back in the day I used to shoot a lot of archery and would test arrow flight by using freezer paper at known distances to solve problems. When I went into trap shooting and then to 3G I took the paper test with me. The test takes a little time before going to the range because of prepping the paper with outlines of a full sized popper and a clay bird (in flight) but all worth it when it comes to load and spread testing. The test will give you a pretty good idea what to expect out of round with a specific choke. Once you have a good understanding for this part of the equation then you can set up poppers and test the horsepower of the load.

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[Charles Bond]

bigbrowndog, on Nov 17 2009, 11:10 AM, said:

Charles its nice to know you are finally starting to familiarize yourself with the intricacies of multigun and SG in particular.

Its amazing how much differs from what most people are familiar with, or think they know.

trapr

I hope your comment does not shatter the self esteem of Jeff Crambitt who turned all of us on years ago with his matches.

The one thing I can say I like about what I have learned recently about shooting buck shot from a match adminstraton perspective is that you sure save a lot of mondo size pasting using the IPSC paper targets.

[bigbrowndog]

I don't think Jeff's self esteem is that fragile, and the comment was based on original post.

Trapr

[Sterling White]

Charles, Sorry for the thread drift in my previous post. You mentioned spinners and my head spun back to the Ironman. There was a pretty good discussion on the use of buckshot because of the number of spinners that were sprinkled throughout the entire match. The test is still a viable option for the ipsc paper targets. After all, buckshot is a larger form of birdshot, right?

[Charles Bond]

Sterling White, on Nov 17 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

Charles, Sorry for the thread drift in my previous post. You mentioned spinners and my head spun back to the Ironman. There was a pretty good discussion on the use of buckshot because of the number of spinners that were sprinkled throughout the entire match. The test is still a viable option for the ipsc paper targets. After all, buckshot is a larger form of birdshot, right?

Actually Sterling I read the thread to which you refer about the spinners since when I did the search for a buckshot discussion, it came up. On heavy or difficult steel in the past, I have always used high brass #6s or even #7.5s more tightly choked and the only problem I had was hitting the spinners. Buckshot may or may not do it better but I had just never had to use it elsewhere on a match so I did not carry any.

BTW: What do you think of spinners as a target? When we used a paper target spinner at the Area 6 pistol championship several years ago, at least one famous shooter labeled it a "bubble gum" stage on this forum.

[Sterling White]

I like the spinner and think that MGM really put a lot of thought into it's design - it is a must have target for three gun matches. It will challenge a seasoned shotgun shooter. It also serves well as a pistol target! For example, on a pistol/shotgun stage the spinner can be engaged with both the pistol and the shotgun. The incentive for spinning the target is the stiff penalty assessed for not spinning it.

We have set the spinner out at 80-100yds and used it for rifle. That causes a lot discussion as well as laughter!

[Charles Bond]

Sterling White, on Nov 19 2009, 01:43 AM, said:

I like the spinner and think that MGM really put a lot of thought into it's design - it is a must have target for three gun matches. It will challenge a seasoned shotgun shooter. It also serves well as a pistol target! For example, on a pistol/shotgun stage the spinner can be engaged with both the pistol and the shotgun. The incentive for spinning the target is the stiff penalty assessed for not spinning it.

We have set the spinner out at 80-100yds and used it for rifle. That causes a lot discussion as well as laughter!

I am with you on that. I just hope that this prop does not follow the route of Texas stargs and become over used.