[bjcollado]

hi guys. just had my modifed gun built. but there are rumors that the modified division will be deleted next year (2010). is this true?!

[ChuckS]

bjcollado, on Oct 30 2009, 06:57 AM, said:

hi guys. just had my modifed gun built. but there are rumors that the modified division will be deleted next year (2010). is this true?!

Welcome to the forum. This place is mostly frequented by USPSA shooters and since there is no modified division, I don't think there will be much info to be gained here. If you have not done so already, go check out the two threads that are over at the Global Village.

Later,
Chuck

[lynn jones]

look here: http://ipsc.invision...dified+division

[bjcollado]

lynn jones, on Oct 30 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

look here: http://ipsc.invision...dified+division

thanks for the welcome chuck. i've had conversations with other modified shooters in this forum before. they helped me decide on how to build the gun too.
lynn, unfortunately i can't access the ipsc global village. i've been registering there for the longest time but still no luck.

[Chuck Anderson]

Modified will still be around for a few years. The talk is to remove it in 2012 I believe. Generally major rule changes, such as Divison removal, would be discussed during the General Assembly as part of a World Shoot, the next being in 2011. I would suggest contacting your RD and letting him know your feelings about the Division.

[benos]

bjcollado, on Oct 30 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

lynn jones, on Oct 30 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

look here: http://ipsc.invision...dified+division

unfortunately i can't access the ipsc global village. i've been registering there for the longest time but still no luck.

You might send a forum admin a request to help you get back logged in. (I get them all the time.) If you tell them everything you know - Log-in or Display Name, email address you registered with, and if you know your PW - they should be able to easily help you.
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[Flexmoney]

I'm no big fan of Modified division. That said, I don't get the need to kill it off.

The reason that seems to be behind wanting to see it go is that...at bigger matches...the staff wants to save time during awards. (Or some such thing.)

That is kind of silly. Any division, at a larger match, needs to meet certain participation requirements to be a recognized division at that match (all of this is spelled out in the back of the rule book). If a division is well enough populated to meet those requirements, it deserves it's recognition. If not, then that is fine too.

In the same breath as the talk with killing Modified, they considered killing revolver, it seems. Revolver shooters...especially here in the States...have proven that they can grow their numbers. There is an USPSA Revolver match this weekend that will have 75 shooters or so...on it's first try as a match. Revolver is growing. Who is to say that Modified can't/won't?

But, I fear the writting is on the wall. With talk like this...who would now undertake building a gun to join the division?

[Charles Bond]

Where is "the talk" or rumor about dumping modified coming from? Like Flex, I am no big fan of this division which IPSC created that has never jelled here in the US but I see no reason to dump it if the rest of the world likes it.

[ChuckS]

Charles Bond, on Nov 1 2009, 06:43 AM, said:

Where is "the talk" or rumor about dumping modified coming from?

Vince Pinto over at the Global Village

ETA:
http://ipsc.invision...&...ost&p=86945

http://ipsc.invision...&...ost&p=87772

This post has been edited by ChuckS: 01 November 2009 - 07:00 AM

[Charles Bond]

ChuckS, on Nov 1 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

Charles Bond, on Nov 1 2009, 06:43 AM, said:

Where is "the talk" or rumor about dumping modified coming from?

Vince Pinto over at the Global Village

ETA:
http://ipsc.invision...&...ost&p=86945

http://ipsc.invision...&...ost&p=87772

Thanks. I do not regularly read that forum. Vince is on the IPSC Executive Committee. Our Regional Director, USPSA Presient Michael Voigt, is on the rules committee. If you have an opinion as to whether modified should continue as a IPSC division, I would recommend you contact him at president@uspsa.org..

[JFlowers]

Like I posted in the IPSC Village discussion, I think Modified and Revolver both suffer from the same symptom, low attendance, but from very different causes.

Revolvers still enjoy a large worldwide following, with many manufacturers and styles available. The issue here is to get the revolver owners to come out and play, thereby growing the division. Rule tweaking, manufacturer involvement, and recruiting of existing gun owners can breath more life into this division. I think the Memphis Charity Challenge showed what is possible with 70+ Revolver shooters in its first year. Watching Mr Thomas (known here as Blueridge) shoot a 2" Ruger in 45 Colt with 180PF loads and speedloaders shows that a simple carry gun can be a lot of fun to shoot! Julie has been working from the S&W side to help revive Revolver. The Division has life, we just need to make it stronger.

Modified is a different animal. Here are very specific custom guns, not gun store shelf items, that share a lot of commonalities with another division and, I think, sort of get lost in the shuffle. Unfortunately, I don't know enough to talk about how to revive this division so I am going to not say anything.

[Charles Bond]

JFlowers, on Nov 3 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

Like I posted in the IPSC Village discussion, I think Modified and Revolver both suffer from the same symptom, low attendance, but from very different causes.

Revolvers still enjoy a large worldwide following, with many manufacturers and styles available. The issue here is to get the revolver owners to come out and play, thereby growing the division. Rule tweaking, manufacturer involvement, and recruiting of existing gun owners can breath more life into this division. I think the Memphis Charity Challenge showed what is possible with 70+ Revolver shooters in its first year. Watching Mr Thomas (known here as Blueridge) shoot a 2" Ruger in 45 Colt with 180PF loads and speedloaders shows that a simple carry gun can be a lot of fun to shoot! Julie has been working from the S&W side to help revive Revolver. The Division has life, we just need to make it stronger.

Modified is a different animal. Here are very specific custom guns, not gun store shelf items, that share a lot of commonalities with another division and, I think, sort of get lost in the shuffle. Unfortunately, I don't know enough to talk about how to revive this division so I am going to not say anything.

Well put. In my area revolver is a division that many shooters turn to after having shot every other division, they as older shooters resign themselves to the fact that they are not going to make GM but still want to shoot and have fun. They can then sell their open or limited guns and afford not only a darn good revolver, they can have a kitty to fund many match entries. They are still in the game and having fun and they also have a lot less to worry about keeping their guns running.

I am not sure what was the intention of modified since it was before my time. My impression is that it is simply all about who can build the best pistol that goes in the box but I really have nothing upon which to base that aside from the obvious.

[Joe4d]

I started a modified build on a Para frame, to shoot in USPSA open but primarily for TSA factory experimental division. The home of TSA was 5 minutes down the road and looked like it might take off, but it seems to have fizzled out. For USPSA the problems seem to be the same as the "open 40" issues which is basically what Modified would be in the US. I like Limited and shoot a 6" eagle. I am also happy to just make B class, but for the winter might be crappy weather I am gonna blow the dust off my 646 and shoot minor 40 revolver.

[jasmap]

I say they should stay unless they are hurting the sport. I seriously doubt they are hurting anything. Revo especially since it is such a popular handgun. I know it doesn't have the most backing but I would love to try my hand in Modified even if it was overseas.

[John Z Sr]

Having shot in all but "open" division, I find revolver to be the most fun and the most challenging of all. ICORE just added "retro" division to open and limited. Why in the world would they want to get rid of revo? As stated already, revo is growing (4 new GM's at Nationals this year) and there are now more revo GM's than in single stack where this whole game has it's roots. Everyone that owns one should go out and shoot a match or 2 with a round gun and see how much fun they are.

[Blueridge]

JFlowers, on Nov 3 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

Like I posted in the IPSC Village discussion, I think Modified and Revolver both suffer from the same symptom, low attendance, but from very different causes.

Revolvers still enjoy a large worldwide following, with many manufacturers and styles available. The issue here is to get the revolver owners to come out and play, thereby growing the division. Rule tweaking, manufacturer involvement, and recruiting of existing gun owners can breath more life into this division. I think the Memphis Charity Challenge showed what is possible with 70+ Revolver shooters in its first year. Watching Mr Thomas (known here as Blueridge) shoot a 2" Ruger in 45 Colt with 180PF loads and speedloaders shows that a simple carry gun can be a lot of fun to shoot! Julie has been working from the S&W side to help revive Revolver. The Division has life, we just need to make it stronger.

Modified is a different animal. Here are very specific custom guns, not gun store shelf items, that share a lot of commonalities with another division and, I think, sort of get lost in the shuffle. Unfortunately, I don't know enough to talk about how to revive this division so I am going to not say anything.

Ahem...My Ruger Super Redhawk has a 2 1/2" barrel, thank you. My reloads probably do make 180PF, but I don't know for sure. I have chronographed a lighter and heavier load that what I used at the MCC, so I know that it is between 167PF and 185PF. I did not get the chance to chrono the load before the match.

It is a blast (pun intended) to shoot it in matches, and seeing the reaction of the other shooters makes it even more fun (especially when I am making good 30+ yard shots).

More on topic I think that an event such as The Memphis Charity Challenge was/is a great boost to the revolver division. It shows USPSA that there is a sizeable contingent that would shoot revolver in focused matches, as well as manufacturers seeing the size of the market. Even before the inaugural MCC match I was happy to hear that it was intended to be an annual match. Being able to shoot a match with the number of revolver shooters at the MCC was great, and finding all of the shooters that were trying revolver for the first time in a match was great too.

It was not simple for me to put together the gear to shoot USPSA with the revolver that I use, but I was able to find companies such as BladeTech that could provide what I need.

This post has been edited by Blueridge: 04 November 2009 - 11:13 AM

[John Z Sr]

Hey Blueridge,
We do alot of revo shooting in the Raleigh area, would love to have you come out and join us, my goal is to get more revo shooters in USPSA and ICORE, even IDPA , the more shooters the better the competition and the better we all get!!!

[Blueridge]

I have been to a few matches at Sir Walter over the last few years, and enjoyed them very much. I was able to shoot the State Games of NC matches in 2007 & 2008, and medaled both times. I shot one of the NC USPSA State Matches at Sir Walter also.

I need to make it back up to Sir Walter for the USPSA match, and Oxford for the IDPA match. I plan to try out ICORE (Retro Div.) when I can find the time.

I have to balance my shooting matches with my olympic style fencing, as that is my primary sport/hobby. Gotta stay on track to compete in the US Fencing Summer Nationals coming up this July in Atlanta.

(I've heard all of the fencing jokes before, so you can save your time. Just in case someone thought that they would be witty. )

This post has been edited by Blueridge: 06 November 2009 - 04:54 PM

[JFlowers]

If you choose swords like you choose guns, I assume you fence in the short bladed broadsword class???

[Blueridge]

JFlowers, on Nov 6 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

If you choose swords like you choose guns, I assume you fence in the short bladed broadsword class???

Okay, that was a new one.

I normally use the standard length 35" Foil and Epee swords. I generally finish better in the fencing events than shooting sports.
They claim that I am a brute when fencing, but I just think that my opponents are much too delicate. When a 6'1", 250lb oponent is bearing down on you, most people try to get out of the way (at least the ones that value their lives ).

[Charles Bond]

Blueridge, on Nov 6 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

JFlowers, on Nov 6 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

If you choose swords like you choose guns, I assume you fence in the short bladed broadsword class???

Okay, that was a new one.

I normally use the standard length 35" Foil and Epee swords. I generally finish better in the fencing events than shooting sports.
They claim that I am a brute when fencing, but I just think that my opponents are much too delicate. When a 6'1", 250lb oponent is bearing down on you, most people try to get out of the way (at least the ones that value their lives ).

Sounds like a new opportunty for Errk Lunge?

Used to fence myself in college and I wish I still had the opportunity. The most fun I ever had was when I was about 28 I had to opportunity to score the first three hits on a hot shot 20 year old from Clemson in epee. He ended up beating me and told me I did OK for an old man and asked me where I learned to use an epee. He was not at all happy to hear that I had never used one but had only trained with a saber and foil.

[Blueridge]

Charles Bond, on Nov 6 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

Blueridge, on Nov 6 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

JFlowers, on Nov 6 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

If you choose swords like you choose guns, I assume you fence in the short bladed broadsword class???

Okay, that was a new one.

I normally use the standard length 35" Foil and Epee swords. I generally finish better in the fencing events than shooting sports.
They claim that I am a brute when fencing, but I just think that my opponents are much too delicate. When a 6'1", 250lb oponent is bearing down on you, most people try to get out of the way (at least the ones that value their lives ).

Sounds like a new opportunty for Errk Lunge?

Used to fence myself in college and I wish I still had the opportunity. The most fun I ever had was when I was about 28 I had to opportunity to score the first three hits on a hot shot 20 year old from Clemson in epee. He ended up beating me and told me I did OK for an old man and asked me where I learned to use an epee. He was not at all happy to hear that I had never used one but had only trained with a saber and foil.

What college did you fence at? I fenced varsity at NC State back in the late 80's / early 90's.

[Flexmoney]

Fencing...that'll get ya killed on da street.

[Blueridge]

Flexmoney, on Nov 8 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

Fencing...that'll get ya killed on da street.

With weak-fu like yours it would.

[kraut]

Chuck Anderson, on Oct 30 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Generally major rule changes, such as Divison removal, would be discussed during the General Assembly as part of a World Shoot, the next being in 2011.

Like the new IPSC 15rd PD rule?