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S&J Customs Glock 34 for Production

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 07:42 PM

I am tempted to send my G34 to S&J Customs (www.sjcguns.com) for the production package. Any experience or suggestions? Should I pay extra for the competition trigger job (brings it down to 2# I think)? I shoot production C with the 34 using Warren/Svigney Competition Sights and some trigger work. Thank you for any help you can provide.

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 07:55 PM

Honestly I'm not seeing the need for most of the stuff they offer in their Production package. And for $660? I think not. Other than a bit of grip tape and dumping that dorky extended slide stop lever (assuming you haven't already), I can't think of anything else you need to excel with your Glock 34. (Dave Sevigny does it without even the tape.)
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 08:18 PM

All a Production Glock needs is Grip tape, better sights, better barrel, and a little work on the trigger. Sounds like you already have the better sights and trigger work. You can do all that for less than $300.

Dont chase the magic 2 pound Glock trigger. You really don't need it. Just practice more and you will see.
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 08:21 PM

+1 on Briley Barrels

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 09:11 PM

Personally, I'd save money on both the barrel and grip tape. Just your preferred sights, slide stop, a fingernail file and your good to go for less than a C note.

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 11:31 PM

redraider,

You have great sights.

You don't need a barrel. Stock Glock G34 barrels are solid performers.

Save your money for practice ammo...or, maybe take a class from a top shooter/instructor.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 01:21 AM

Dryfire + your gun as is = better performance.

Seriously, if you simply build your familiarity with your gear and skill set, you will increase your performance in matches. Getting tips from good M/GM shooters will help you to practice the correct fundamentals.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 08:44 PM

You already have a good set-up. If you are not happy with the trigger-pull of your gun, you can just buy a trigger-kit from Vanek, Glockworx, Bobby Carver, etc.--this would still cost way less than $660.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 06:11 PM

I shoot a G34 in production - I replaced the sights and purchased a drop-in trigger kit from Vanek. That is all I need for the pistol - now it is on me to practice.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 07:30 PM

I'd say you don't even need trigger work. I've shot stock glocks in limited and production with no issues. The one essential thing in my mind is good sights. The rest is window dressing.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 07:35 PM

View PostFlexmoney, on Oct 22 2009, 01:31 AM, said:

redraider,

You have great sights.

You don't need a barrel. Stock Glock G34 barrels are solid performers.

Save your money for practice ammo...or, maybe take a class from a top shooter/instructor.
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Posted 31 October 2009 - 03:06 PM

Add grip tape to your gun and you've got a sweet G34 for production. If you're wanting to shoot better, spend the money on ammo and training like Flex said. If you just enjoying toying with guns, maybe take the extra $600 and buy a G35 to build into a limited gun?
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 10:02 PM

OK, I'm obviously really new to the whole USPSA thing... I've been shooting "limited" division in my local matches with Mobile Pistol Shooters in Alabama...with a S&W Sigma 9mm (cause it's what I carry and didn't want to spend the money on a brand new gun before I knew if I liked the sport or not). I'm now stretching out a little bit and want to get a little more serious (not open-division serious yet, but more serious about the limited). I have decided on the Glock platform and am pretty sure I want a .40 (to shoot major). I really would like a variety of opinions on this one. G34 vs. G22... 9mm vs. .40.... and one last thing... what's the point of the grip tape? Does it help to control the recoil.... and are those recoil thumb rest things gimmicks or do they actually work?.... I realize I'm just kind of lobbing a bunch of questions up in the air, but am interested in the answers.

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 10:50 PM

View Postkp110477, on 13 February 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, I'm obviously really new to the whole USPSA thing... I've been shooting "limited" division in my local matches with Mobile Pistol Shooters in Alabama...with a S&W Sigma 9mm (cause it's what I carry and didn't want to spend the money on a brand new gun before I knew if I liked the sport or not). I'm now stretching out a little bit and want to get a little more serious (not open-division serious yet, but more serious about the limited). I have decided on the Glock platform and am pretty sure I want a .40 (to shoot major). I really would like a variety of opinions on this one. G34 vs. G22... 9mm vs. .40.... and one last thing... what's the point of the grip tape? Does it help to control the recoil.... and are those recoil thumb rest things gimmicks or do they actually work?.... I realize I'm just kind of lobbing a bunch of questions up in the air, but am interested in the answers.

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Why Limited instead of Production?

For Limited, G35 is the most popular choice.

For Production, G34.

In both divisions, some find they like the standard length weapons instead (G17 or G22). There's no reason to shoot 9mm in Limited, unless you already have the weapon. Even then, I'd shoot Production instead. I find Production much more fun, personally.

Grip tape simply helps sweaty hands hold onto the slick plastic frame. The dorky, annoying thumb rests are only allowed in Open, so don't worry about it.

You are focusing too much on gear. New guys focus on gear to equip themselves for success, just like I did... But it actually comes when you learn you should've just bought a stock pistol that will allow you to be competitive, swap the sights, and go shoot the hell out of the stupid thing.
The truth is that there is no choice between the two. You line the sights up in the A-zone and let it fly at the absolute soonest moment that you see what your experience tells you will put the hole where you're aiming it using the amount of trigger control you need to keep the gun lined up in that spot. There is no concern about accuracy or speed - either one is an illusion from behind the gun. There's "where do I want to hit" and "is the gun lined up there or not"... followed up with "did the sights lift from where I wanted to hit". To assign an "either/or" to the equation is to deny the fact that the gun can be shot ridiculously fast while shooting all As - but it won't be done while you're determined that one must be sacrificed for the other - and it also has the amusing side effect of pressuring the shooter to ignore "the shooting" in the name of "the speed" - XRe

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 11:13 PM

ROGER. Will do!... but I still want to hot-rod a gun .... some day. Call it childhood dreams coming to fruition, call it "compensating" for something, call it scratching an itch... Open guns look really cool. LOL. But, I think I've made up my mind to get a G22 and start at production. Then over time build the gun up slowly through the ranks, limited then eventually open. Thanks for the advice.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 01:10 AM

badchad,

What's the fingernail file for?

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 07:11 AM

If you want to hot rod a gun for Limited you should start with the dominant platform. a STI/SVI. There are many reasons why this is the dominant Limited and Open platform. You will always being playing catch up with a GLock. You dont own and shoot one now so I see no reason to get one as your stated goal is to have a hotrod Limited gun.
If you were already a long time Glock shooter and already had several Glocks and wanted to timker I'd say go for it.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 09:27 PM

Point well taken, and I would love nothing more than to get into the STI platform. However, the price is AWFULLY steep. By mu understanding I can slowly add piece by piece to a Glock that costs 500-600 stock, where as I would have to initially sink 2000-3000 into an STI/SVI. With the quick-change aftermarket parts for the Glock, I can piece it all together over time, and still end up with a fairly competitive system. I have been struggling with this for some time now and was convinced by one of the guys that shoots USPSA (also a Glock fan) to go the way of the Glock. But I'm definitely open to opinion and persuasion.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 09:53 PM

View PostJoe4d, on 14 February 2010 - 09:11 AM, said:

If you want to hot rod a gun for Limited you should start with the dominant platform. a STI/SVI. There are many reasons why this is the dominant Limited and Open platform. You will always being playing catch up with a GLock. You dont own and shoot one now so I see no reason to get one as your stated goal is to have a hotrod Limited gun.
If you were already a long time Glock shooter and already had several Glocks and wanted to timker I'd say go for it.

I gotta agree with Joe on this one. You can find a nice used STI here in the classified forum usually for as low as $1200 all the way up to $1900~$2100, and most of the time these will come with multiple accessories. I've seen package deals on STI/SV's come with 4 or 5 mags, maybe even a belt and a holster.

I know it sounds like a lot but you can get in cheap buying used, and have a much better Limited gun that way. The only down sides to the Glock are 1. they are too light (23oz. vs. 37~40oz.) 2. the trigger is not as crisp as you will get with a 1911/2011. and 3. the mags can hold as much as 20 (usually only 19) and the STI mags will go all the way up to 21~22.

Keep your eyes open & you might find something you like. Also look at www.USPSA.com in their classified section.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 09:56 PM

So you would recommend the STI in .40 or .38? Do you mind me asking what you use to compete limited or open?

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:04 PM

I use a STI in 40 for Limited. The Edge is a very common model, also the Eagle, but you can find many custom built guns but they may be just a little bit higher in price.
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:12 PM

cool, thanks.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:15 PM

Do you see any issue with using a Glock for daily carry but using a 1911/2011 platform for competition? My thought process was to streamline my carry-comp practice so that there's no possibility of confusion when put in a defensive situation. I JUST (last night) finished the purchase on a G27

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:16 PM

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The dorky, annoying thumb rests are only allowed in Open, so don't worry about it.

I believe when he asks about the thumb rests on a Glock, he's asking about the dished-in depressions on either side of the Gen-3/4 grip. And no, they don't serve a purpose. :lol:
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:19 PM

Actually, I was referring to the aftermarket pieces that stick out like the safety on a 1911 and claim to tame recoil, but thank you.

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