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Double taps too fast?!?!?!? Had my trigger redone, now I don't work :)

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Post icon  Posted 15 October 2009 - 12:03 PM

I did a quick search and didn't run across what I seem to be experiencing.

I had the trigger on my Infinity 2011 redone a couple of weeks ago to shorten the reset.
It works great, maybe too great.
A bonus is that the trigger is also a little lighter, somewhere between 2 and 2.5 lbs.

Now here's the issue....
I used to be able to double tap it and keep both bullets in the "A" zone (most of the time).
Now it seems I can double tap it long before the muzzle comes back down.
First shot on each target is in the "A" pretty consistently, the second shot is higher, and depending on distance completely off the target.
Is there something that can be done to the gun to get it to come back down quicker or is it all me??
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:06 PM

What are your splits? Are you calling your shots?

I suspect there is nothing wrong with your gun.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:20 PM

View PostCSEMARTIN, on Oct 15 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

What are your splits? Are you calling your shots?

I suspect there is nothing wrong with your gun.


I' not sure on the splits I never checked, something I have to do.

Calling the first shot every time, Called a couple of the follow-ups and knew it wasn't where I wanted it to be.
Thought I knew where the rest were.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the gun either, but threw it out there just in case it was a possibility.

Never had this problem before I had it worked on.
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:25 PM

Not trying to be a smart-ass, but timing is everything. Chances are that you'll get used to the new timing.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:34 PM

sounds like your not seeing what you need to see, a sight picture. one of the first things i learnt from the great B.E was there is no such thing as a double tap. you are clearly aiming your first shot, but not your second.
as all-gator said, timing, you got used to how the gun reacted before and whether you were waiting for that second sight picture or not, you got the timing right.
slow down just a little, get that second sight picture and practice till you get that speed back up.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

View PostAll-Gator, on Oct 15 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Not trying to be a smart-ass, but timing is everything. Chances are that you'll get used to the new timing.

A-G


+1

Try some "Timing Drills" here's a link to some from Matt Burkett:

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 02:18 PM

View PostUltraTen, on Oct 15 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

I did a quick search and didn't run across what I seem to be experiencing.

I had the trigger on my Infinity 2011 redone a couple of weeks ago to shorten the reset.
It works great, maybe too great.
A bonus is that the trigger is also a little lighter, somewhere between 2 and 2.5 lbs.

Now here's the issue....
I used to be able to double tap it and keep both bullets in the "A" zone (most of the time).
Now it seems I can double tap it long before the muzzle comes back down.
First shot on each target is in the "A" pretty consistently, the second shot is higher, and depending on distance completely off the target.
Is there something that can be done to the gun to get it to come back down quicker or is it all me??


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Posted 15 October 2009 - 04:14 PM

View PostAll-Gator, on Oct 15 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

Not trying to be a smart-ass, but timing is everything. Chances are that you'll get used to the new timing.

A-G


Timing is a BAD idea. Yes, timing drills to get the gun set (recoil spring etc) are a good idea, but shooting based on timing is like a long walk on a short pier....you won't be happy with the eventual result!

If the first shot is an A and the second shot is high, or a miss, it's because the shooter wasn't shooting the second shot based upon what they saw while tracking the front sight (cause they weren't tracking it). R,
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:09 AM

View PostFlexmoney, on Oct 15 2009, 05:18 PM, said:

All you.

The gun goes up and comes down through your interaction with it.


View PostG-ManBart, on Oct 15 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

Timing is a BAD idea. Yes, timing drills to get the gun set (recoil spring etc) are a good idea, but shooting based on timing is like a long walk on a short pier....you won't be happy with the eventual result!

If the first shot is an A and the second shot is high, or a miss, it's because the shooter wasn't shooting the second shot based upon what they saw while tracking the front sight (cause they weren't tracking it). R,


As much as I hate to admit it, I believe you guy's are right.
The gun had such a long reset before I had time to acquire the sight.
Now that the it can reset faster than I can get the sights back on the target, guess I'm pulling a little too soon.

I've heard (and correct me if I'm wrong) that recoil springs or load can be changed to bring the front of the gun down faster.
Is this what your referring to when you mentioned timing drills??

This post has been edited by UltraTen: 16 October 2009 - 07:13 AM

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:01 AM

View PostUltraTen, on Oct 16 2009, 08:09 AM, said:

I've heard (and correct me if I'm wrong) that recoil springs or load can be changed to bring the front of the gun down faster.
Is this what your referring to when you mentioned timing drills??


No, click on the link that was previously posted.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:58 AM

I didn't think so, that's what had me confused.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:40 PM

What is a "double tap" and why would one want to do it?
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:07 PM

Therein lies one of the traps of shooting based on "feel" and not based on vision. Any little change will impact your performance. If you are not seeing the sights for both shots on target, the second shot is just based on luck.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:10 PM

TIMING and Call your shots!! dial your self into the NEW timing of the gun!
call your shots at all times.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:35 PM

If you put in a heavier recoil spring the gun will cycle faster & get back to where the first sight picture was.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 02:11 PM

If you learn proper grip and stance and drive the gun with purpose and vision the gun will get back to where the first sight picture was.

:cheers:

As Benny says...you might get what you want by changing up the recoil spring.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 04:02 PM

View Postbenny hill, on Oct 16 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

If you put in a heavier recoil spring the gun will cycle faster & get back to where the first sight picture was.


Or it'll cause the front sight to dip down too far as the slide closes and he'll have to wait for it to come back up to get a decent sight picture....
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