[North]

"As my friend went hammer down on his glock and proceded to holster, his slide fell off and hit the dirt. He put the slideless frame in the holster and said, "Hey this doesn't count as me dropping my gun right?"

Taken from another thread, but I want to know the answer. How does USPSA define a gun? the Feds classify the frame, so is he good to go?

[mactiger]

While USPSA doesn't specifically define a "gun", I think we'd use the BATF's definition. If the slide fell off, no worries.

Troy

[boz1911]

No DQ but why did the slide fall off??

[wide45]

Did the muzzle break the 180?

This post has been edited by wide45: 10 October 2009 - 01:55 PM

[Pigdawg]

I have seen the slide come off of 2 different glocks. Once the slide lock broke and the other time the slide lock was put in backwards.

[GentlemanJim]

boz1911, on Oct 10 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

No DQ but why did the slide fall off??

I think its a Glock thing

The shooter sure had class ..holstering the frame and all

I say no dq...the shooter did not drop the gun...no rule against parts falling off
Jim

[gmantwo]

I KNEW there were more reasons than the grip angle to dislike Glocks, lol. No offense intended.

[spd522]

His gun must have missed that "perfection" check at the factory.

I have seen it happen with a couple of Glocks before but not at a match. Would have been
funny to catch everyone's facial expressions on video.


Craig

[G-ManBart]

gmantwo, on Oct 10 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

I KNEW there were more reasons than the grip angle to dislike Glocks, lol. No offense intended.

I really need to get a video of this happening....maybe I could forward it to management and get something else authorized

[coldchar]

Seen it happen on two glock 40's in matches. The funny expression is the look on the shooter. I have never heard of it happening on a 9mm Glock.

[racerba]

Pigdawg, on Oct 10 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

... the slide lock was put in backwards.

I'm not even going to ask how this is possible...and the shooter didn't realize it...

[Nik Habicht]

racerba, on Oct 11 2009, 12:28 AM, said:

Pigdawg, on Oct 10 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

... the slide lock was put in backwards.

I'm not even going to ask how this is possible...and the shooter didn't realize it...

Slide lock, not slide stop lever, most likely....

[LPatterson]

racerba, on Oct 10 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

Pigdawg, on Oct 10 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

... the slide lock was put in backwards.

I'm not even going to ask how this is possible...and the shooter didn't realize it...

The slide lock is the little flat piece of metal that has to be pulled down for the slide to come off. It has a small slot/indent in one side that the barrel engages but is possible to install backwards if one is removed.

[boz1911]

LPatterson, on Oct 11 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

racerba, on Oct 10 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

Pigdawg, on Oct 10 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

... the slide lock was put in backwards.

I'm not even going to ask how this is possible...and the shooter didn't realize it...

The slide lock is the little flat piece of metal that has to be pulled down for the slide to come off. It has a small slot/indent in one side that the barrel engages but is possible to install backwards if one is removed.

Even though my care-meter is low, my curiosity overrules.

I'm still confused, why didn't the slide fall off while shooting???

[North]

I took this from another thread, I did not see it. It just peeked my curiosity.

http://www.brianenos...?...t&p=1072357

[Shawn Knight]

North, on Oct 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

"As my friend went hammer down on his glock and proceded to holster, his slide fell off and hit the dirt. He put the slideless frame in the holster and said, "Hey this doesn't count as me dropping my gun right?"

Taken from another thread, but I want to know the answer. How does USPSA define a gun? the Feds classify the frame, so is he good to go?

It was my buddy Ron's Glock and the gun was empty as well as being hammer down. There was no way for him to know the slide would fall off and seeing that the gun had to be unloaded in order for the slide to come off(hammer down) the gun was in a safe condition when it broke.

My call would be pick up your broke pieces and ensure serviceability of the firearm before the next COF can be engaged and that was the call of the RO. Ron is currently shooting Area 4 with no problems as yet.

[Neomet]

I was shooting revo once and finished the COF. At UASC I emptied the brass turned it muzzle down and had the cylinder and crane assembly fall into the dirt. (The set screw had backed out). I holstered up, picked up the pieces and went to the safe area with a tube of blue locktite. No DQ called, but possibly just because everyone one laughing so hard.

[Shawn Knight]

boz1911, on Oct 11 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

LPatterson, on Oct 11 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

racerba, on Oct 10 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

Pigdawg, on Oct 10 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

... the slide lock was put in backwards.

I'm not even going to ask how this is possible...and the shooter didn't realize it...

The slide lock is the little flat piece of metal that has to be pulled down for the slide to come off. It has a small slot/indent in one side that the barrel engages but is possible to install backwards if one is removed.

Even though my care-meter is low, my curiosity overrules.

I'm still confused, why didn't the slide fall off while shooting???

Because the sear still engaged the striker and kept the slide in place.

[CSEMARTIN]

boz1911, on Oct 11 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

Even though my care-meter is low, my curiosity overrules.

[Joe4d]

10.5.2
Did muzzle exceed 90 degrees from the median intercept of the backstop ?

[racerba]

Joe4d, on Oct 12 2009, 08:24 AM, said:

10.5.2
Did muzzle exceed 90 degrees from the median intercept of the backstop ?

Does not apply since the barrel is no longer part of the gun (see post #2):

10.5.2 If at any time during the course of fire, a competitor allows the muzzle
of his handgun to point rearwards, that is further than 90 degrees from
the median intercept of the backstop, or in the case of no backstop,
allows the muzzle to point up range, whether the handgun is loaded or
not (limited exceptions: 10.5.6).

This post has been edited by racerba: 12 October 2009 - 06:13 AM

[Shawn Knight]

Well even though the slide hit the dirt he still holstered!!

So even though the muzzle may have pointed in the wrong direction this would not count as a dropped gun as the whole gun didn't hit the ground!

[KING 45ACP]

spd522, on Oct 10 2009, 09:30 PM, said:

His gun must have missed that "perfection" check at the factory.

Craig

Good one!

[Joe4d]

Dropped gun has nothing to do with 10.5.2,
The muzzle of your gun is still the muzzle whether it is attached or not.
10.5.2 applies to at any time during the course of fire a competitor allows muzzle to point rearwards. This event happened during holster and I'd assume before range is clear command. There fore it was during the course of fire. No exception is made for improper assembly or weapon malfunctions. If the muzzle broke the 90 degree from the median intercept during the COF it is a Match DQ.
An arbitration committee may decide under 11.1.2 that exceptional circumstances existed but that would be up to them.

[Ed Deegan]

Joe4d, on Oct 12 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

Dropped gun has nothing to do with 10.5.2,
The muzzle of your gun is still the muzzle whether it is attached or not.
10.5.2 applies to at any time during the course of fire a competitor allows muzzle to point rearwards. This event happened during holster and I'd assume before range is clear command. There fore it was during the course of fire. No exception is made for improper assembly or weapon malfunctions. If the muzzle broke the 90 degree from the median intercept during the COF it is a Match DQ.
An arbitration committee may decide under 11.1.2 that exceptional circumstances existed but that would be up to them.

Wow... Well good thing an RMI responded earlier, someone might have taken you seriously.