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4th generation frame ( fourth ) Back strap in Black

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:30 PM

Next generation Glock frames coming soon. Interchangeable backstraps...mostly likely G22's first.

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Hey...cool. And, about time. Too bad Glock is playing catch up...they could have innovated from the start and not let anybody else get a foot in the door. But, I digress... :)

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Glock showed the new frame off at this weeks IACP show in Denver. Should be good fodder to eat popcorn and watch the comments pour forth.

Yep, S&W M&P's are gaining ground in LE circles to the point that some departments are now specifying interchangeable backstraps. Glock is reacting to S&W now...
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:30 PM

It's good to have choices. :)
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 04:00 PM

Any pics available? Will be interesting to see how it effects the grip angle, especially in the G21/20
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 04:24 PM

Now this is something I can get excited about. I have a feeling it won't help my issue of Glock knuckle, but it might make it a bit less unpleasant. Now the big question will be how long it takes our folks to test them and decide if they're going to approve/allow them....fingers crossed.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 05:08 PM

I like my Glock knuckle. It's like California surfers knobby knees. It's cool. Backstraps will be good, though.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 05:08 PM

Maybe someone will fab one in.....tungsten. ;) beez kneez baby....



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Posted 07 October 2009 - 05:14 PM

View PostFlexmoney, on Oct 7 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

Next generation Glock frames coming soon. Interchangeable backstraps...mostly likely G22's first.

Yep, S&W M&P's are gaining ground in LE circles to the point that some departments are now specifying interchangeable backstraps. Glock is reacting to S&W now...

Interchangable grip size was specified in the specs for the Joint Combined Pistol contract a couple of years ago. The contract was never let, congress kanked it, but the specs really put a lot of gun manufacturers on ready alert for the next big contract. The military's inventory of M9 and M11 pistols are pretty old, and the contract for them is currently only alive due to an extension. I wouldn't be suprised if one of the reasons for Glocks new frame is so they can meet the specs and bid on the next possible contract in addition to competing with M&Ps.
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 06:50 PM

Are they making any other changes to to frame than the backstraps? would be nice to see a different, more flared mag well and a better shaped trigger guard. I too think it helps that M&P and the XD are giving them some competition, However I read that LA county Sheriff's recently banned the M&P's due to some barrel problems.
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 07:06 PM

View PostLawdawg112, on Oct 10 2009, 09:50 PM, said:

Are they making any other changes to to frame than the backstraps? would be nice to see a different, more flared mag well and a better shaped trigger guard. I too think it helps that M&P and the XD are giving them some competition, However I read that LA county Sheriff's recently banned the M&P's due to some barrel problems.


I wouldn't say LACSD banned the M&P, but they did pull them from trainees and no longer authorize them because of some problems they ran into. I guess they're working to sort it all out. The Smith fans are screaming that it must be someone at LACSD being anti-Smith while others are saying they were just putting an alert out in case other departments had seen similar problems. It'll be interesting to see what happens with that one.

I'm with you on reshaping the Glock trigger guard...I could live with the factory magwell shape if they left it alone. R,
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 07:17 PM

Found this on the "other glock site"



"I had an opportunity to handle the new 4th generation Glock 22. These are my observations.

New reversible mag release. Larger rectangular face does not appear to be extended.

New recoil spring arrangement. It looks like a dual captured spring setup. It will not retrofit older G22s.

Frame with texturing similar to current RTF frames, but not as sharp. Frame is higher in the area that contacts the web of your hand. The distance between the trigger and the rear of the frame is noticeably shorter. Same profile as current Glock frames but slightly smaller in the rear. There are two (medium and large) backstraps that go over the rear area of the frame. These are held in by the trigger housing pin.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 09:58 PM

Can't wait. Some IDIOT with my agency decided the Sig DAK was some improvement. Can't stand the thing. If they hold the testing again every five years like they are supposed to they might figure out that Glock triggers are easier to shoot and with the interchangeable backstrap, it can fit more people than the Sig. If they would let me carry my G22 RTF, I would be a happy man.
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 11:33 PM

View PostFlexmoney, on Oct 7 2009, 03:30 PM, said:

It's good to have choices. :)


About time.

Hey, did glock happen to change the grip angle to be similar to the 1911? Or am I asking waaay too much .... ;)
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 05:22 AM

I'd be willing to bet that current magwells won't fit the new design.
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 05:34 AM

Maybe they also got rid of the finger grooves.
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 06:12 AM

View Postebg3, on Oct 11 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

Maybe they also got rid of the finger grooves.


+1 on that I hate those things
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 08:41 AM

Hello: I thought I was the only one who dislikes the finger grooves :cheers: I have a 2nd gen G17 and it fits better in my hand than the G34/35's with finger grooves. I will have to see the new gen with backstraps to see how they feel/look. Should be interesting. Thanks, Eric

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:44 AM

I would probably dislike the finger grooves, since I loved the feel of the 2nd Gen frames, were it not for the fact that they fit my hand perfectly. Really, it's like they used my hand to dimension the things. It's eerie. :)
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:46 AM

Is this going to be something like the RTF and SF frames, i.e. an option added to the existing product line, or are we looking at something like a 1st Gen to 2nd Gen, or 2nd Gen to 3rd Gen, across the board changeover?
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 02:55 PM

View PostDuane Thomas, on Oct 11 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

I would probably dislike the finger grooves, since I loved the feel of the 2nd Gen frames, were it not for the fact that they fit my hand perfectly. Really, it's like they used my hand to dimension the things. It's eerie. :)

I was about to post that the finger grooves don't seem to fit anyone's hand... :blush:
Well, they don't fit mine!
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 05:41 PM

I have a smallish hand, and that's why my Glock is a 2nd gen frame as well :cheers:
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 06:00 PM

I have big hands SHORT fat fingers so the grooves hit me right in the middle of the fingers. I really prefer the Gen 1 G17 frame it feels a little slimmer than the Gen 2 frames. I shot Glocks for years and wanted a g34 for production/SSP but didnt want a 3 gen frame so I bought a M&P instead. I dont think I will switch back now.
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 07:07 PM

I love the finger grooves with a houge slip on over the top to get a little more of a sticky feel to the grip :)

From what it sounds like, the new frame might be a combination of the short frame idea and the RTF idea with different sized backstraps added to the mix.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:08 PM

Just saw a Glock ad in a LE magazine that was advertising the RTF2 grip frame. I think that must be what their calling the new one. The finger grooves were there, but they looked smaller than the Gen 3's. The RTF stipling looked like a slightly different design and less sharp. It didn't show the back of the frame where the new inserts are supposed to be
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 06:36 AM

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 08:17 AM

If Glock would team up with MagPul, they might be the first ones to add an interchangeable FRONT section for the pistol grip that would allow users to exchange inserts to allow for fingergrooves, stippling, plain, etc. Then users could have something similar to their choice of the Gen 2 or Gen 3 front, or even customized to their hand.
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