[zhunter]

Personally, I don't enjoy it, and it is common knowledge that our sport is not about defensive shooting etc.... Let's cut the crap and not have forced strong/weak hand shooting be required. Maybe there are some type of stage designs that IF you take Strong of Weak hand shots, it would be a big benefit.

[gino_aki]

I gotta disagree with you, Z. Like unloaded table starts, and other unconventional start and/or shooting positions SH/WH skills are something to be practiced and hopefully mastered to deal with the shooting problems stage designers are always plotting against us with.

[rrflyer]

yes.

but mainly because so few people practice SH or WH that its an immediate advantage to those who take the time.

[zhunter]

rrflyer, on Oct 4 2009, 01:47 PM, said:

yes.

but mainly because so few people practice SH or WH that its an immediate advantage to those who take the time.

I am guilty, as I don't enjoy it, I don't practice it.

[XRe]

I hate rolling double breaks on bermuda greens, too, so maybe we oughta remove those...

SHO/WHO is an important part of the skill set regardless of their grounding in any sort of defensive background. Frequently, the raw, basic shooting skills are "unfun" to folks. But they're still important, and they shouldn't be discarded just "because"... YMMV...

Did I mention I like them for the same reason rrflyer does?

[JimmyZip]

rrflyer, on Oct 4 2009, 10:47 AM, said:

yes.

but mainly because so few people practice SH or WH that its an immediate advantage to those who take the time.

As a lowly D who does practice it, this is one thing I look forward to being a good investment of my time this season.

[RufDog]

I think it goes aginst the free style, solve the stage or "problem" in your own way philosophy. I just shot the Fall Classic and there was a shot I felt was beneficial to take strong hand only so I did. Everyone else did not but they solved the stage their own way.

[Steve J]

SH/WH shooting is an absolutely necessary skill. I love it and have made it one of my strengths. "Freestyle" is not all important.

[boz1911]

I shot thousands of rounds to be good at it. I usually view a stage with SH/WH shots as an advantage, so yes I consider it viable in this sport...

[ChuckS]

What does "I am on a fan" mean? It sound uncomfortable

[RufDog]

I do not disagree that SH/WH shooting is an important skill to have in life. USPSA does develop skills but, my impression is matches are a test of skills not a "training program".

[Caspian_45]

I like WH/SH stages. If they are GOOD stage designs that is. Proper target presentation and distance have a lot to do with that.

I believe that USPSA, and most other shooting sports are intended to be about the manipulation of the firearm first, NOT about the hose factor or athletic ability.

[zhunter]

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 02:11 PM, said:

I think it goes aginst the free style, solve the stage or "problem" in your own way philosophy. I just shot the Fall Classic and there was a shot I felt was beneficial to take strong hand only so I did. Everyone else did not but they solved the stage their own way.

+1

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

USPSA does develop skills but, my impression is matches are a test of skills not a "training program".

+1

[Nik Habicht]

Personally, I think that golfers should be limited to one club for the entire match, unless it breaks.....

So let's get this straight: Rather than practicing enough to become proficient, you'd rather just eliminate a subset of pistol shooting because you don't enjoy it, since you suck at it, because you won't practice?

USPSA should probably consider a name change to JPSA while we're at it, right?

[Nik Habicht]

Much like anything else, I wouldn't want it to see it on every stage. Seeing it occasionally locally, and on one stage in each big match seems about right. I'm much happier when it occurs organically, because shooting strong hand only or weak hand only is the only thing that makes sense --- as opposed to mandated....

[Steve J]

Nik Habicht, on Oct 4 2009, 02:42 PM, said:

Personally, I think that golfers should be limited to one club for the entire match, unless it breaks.....

So let's get this straight: Rather than practicing enough to become proficient, you'd rather just eliminate a subset of pistol shooting because you don't enjoy it, since you suck at it, because you won't practice?

USPSA should probably consider a name change to JPSA while we're at it, right?

If the "P" stands for Practical, you'd have to get rid of that too.

[G-ManBart]

zhunter, on Oct 4 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 02:11 PM, said:

I think it goes aginst the free style, solve the stage or "problem" in your own way philosophy. I just shot the Fall Classic and there was a shot I felt was beneficial to take strong hand only so I did. Everyone else did not but they solved the stage their own way.

+1

By that reasoning we should do away with all classifiers. Many are Virginia Count, they often have a determined order in some fashion, lots have mandatory reloads, etc, etc. They don't really have much "freestyle" to them at all.

zhunter, on Oct 4 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

USPSA does develop skills but, my impression is matches are a test of skills not a "training program".

+1

Yes, matches are a test of skills and among those varied skills is the ability to shoot with just one hand. If we can shoot identically well freestyle, but you are measurably better either strong hand only or support hand only, then you are a "better" shooter and should be rewarded as such.

It's sort of like 50yds standards....not something terribly based in the "practical" roots of our sport, but it IS a skill.

Personally I don't find those sorts of stages/classifiers "fun" but they are a test and that's what matters. R,

[zhunter]

Nik Habicht, on Oct 4 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

Personally, I think that golfers should be limited to one club for the entire match, unless it breaks.....

So let's get this straight: Rather than practicing enough to become proficient, you'd rather just eliminate a subset of pistol shooting because you don't enjoy it, since you suck at it, because you won't practice?

USPSA should probably consider a name change to JPSA while we're at it, right?

Golf currently has too many clubs in the bag, and the ball goes too far as well!!!

I really enjoy our sport, what ever you want to call it, but I don't enjoy WHO/STO. So no I have no interest in practicing it, as it is not fun for me. I shoot for fun and a challenge to myself. I go to matches as much for the time with friends and meeting new ones as the competition. I compete with myself, meaning seeing how I am performing against previous endeavors. I competed for 31 years against others, so I think I am over that. I just want to have fun and enjoy myself. WHO/SHO does not do that.

Nik Habicht, on Oct 4 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

Much like anything else, I wouldn't want it to see it on every stage. Seeing it occasionally locally, and on one stage in each big match seems about right. I'm much happier when it occurs organically, because shooting strong hand only or weak hand only is the only thing that makes sense --- as opposed to mandated....

A WHO or SHO shot is fine in gaming a stage, but mandatory WHO/STO is no fun in my book, and as stated above, is NOT freestyle

This post has been edited by zhunter: 04 October 2009 - 12:59 PM

[RufDog]

Dear Sassy Spice,

The title of this thread is " Do you enjoy WH/SH shooting? "I didn't state "I dont like it because I suck at it", nor did I mention not practicing it. I actually practiced it about an hour today. It is useful. However, I'd rather shoot with both hands.

[zhunter]

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

Dear Sassy Spice,

The title of this thread is " Do you enjoy WH/SH shooting? "I didn't state "I dont like it because I suck at it", nor did I mention not practicing it. I actually practiced it about an hour today. It is useful. However, I'd rather shoot with both hands.

Easy RufDog, that was directed at ME

[RufDog]

ZHunter-

It was actually for Bart, Steve & Nick. The sassy spice part keeps some humor in things. I feel like I just walked in on a SH/WH party uninvited! We should start a club we could be plank members Ruf & Zs "shooters who dont love & practice constantly SHO/WHO

[zhunter]

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

ZHunter-

It was actually for Bart, Steve & Nick. The sassy spice part keeps some humor in things. I feel like I just walked in on a SH/WH party uninvited! We should start a club we could be plank members Ruf & Zs "shooters who dont love & practice constantly SHO/WHO

I am all for it

[G-ManBart]

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

Dear Sassy Spice,

The title of this thread is " Do you enjoy WH/SH shooting? "I didn't state "I dont like it because I suck at it", nor did I mention not practicing it. I actually practiced it about an hour today. It is useful. However, I'd rather shoot with both hands.

Well, since I see at least part of this is directed to me, I'll point out a couple of things.

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

I didn't state "I dont like it because I suck at it", nor did I mention not practicing it. I actually practiced it about an hour today.

Then you should be rewarded for it!

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

It is useful.

Then it's worth testing in matches.

RufDog, on Oct 4 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

However, I'd rather shoot with both hands.

I'd rather every stage had at the very least 25yds of total movement because that's what I like to do and am best at. Give me a long stage with lots of targets and lots of movement and I will eat your lunch But, I don't get to pick, it isn't the only skill that we test and it wouldn't really be fair to make every stage fit that mold.

No matter how anybody cuts it "Practical" is still an integral part of our sport....hey, it's even in the name! Shooting a 32rd field course that covers 30yds and starts out at a poker table and goes through three doors/buildings isn't very practical or realistic, but nobody complains about those because they're fun.

Nobody whines about Virginia count with mandatory reloads...it's not freestyle, it's not practical and it may not be fun, but it's a skill set and one we should test.

They are called "handguns" not "handsguns" for a reason...they can and should be mastered with one (both) hands as that is a hugely practical skill. R,

[Dan Sierpina]

ChuckS, on Oct 4 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

What does "I am on a fan" mean? It sound uncomfortable

Z has been known to lean to the kinky side of life.

[RufDog]

yeah, it sounds provacative.... I almost voted that way