[KING 45ACP]

I have a Para hi-cap 45acp and for a while now I have been able to reload a mag from slide lock and it automatically chambers a round without touching the slide stop,I am not loading the mag in any harder than I ever had. I think it's cool and was wondering if this is bad or could cause any damage over time?

[G-ManBart]

It's not going to hurt anything, but I think it's a poor practice because most guns that do this will sometimes fail to strip a round. It also tells me that the spring/pin isn't putting much pressure on the slide stop lever...even done mildly it's bouncing the lever down out of the slide cutout. What can bounce down to release the slide could, under just the wrong circumstances, bounce it up to prematurely lock the slide back

[RH45]

I'm going to guess that either the top-rear of the slide stop is getting worn, or, the slide itself.

Matt Burkett showed a few of us how to radius the slide stop to make that happen.

[KING 45ACP]

Thanks guys. The plunger tube spring is probably the awnser of why it's doing it and the slide to frame fit is not the tightest.

[t0066jh]

KING 45ACP, on Oct 2 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

I have a Para hi-cap 45acp and for a while now I have been able to reload a mag from slide lock and it automatically chambers a round without touching the slide stop,I am not loading the mag in any harder than I ever had. I think it's cool and was wondering if this is bad or could cause any damage over time?

If you're reloading during a course of fire and you have your finger on the trigger and it slams shut and fires......it's an automatic DQ.....right???

[ima45dv8]

t0066jh, on Nov 7 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

KING 45ACP, on Oct 2 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

I have a Para hi-cap 45acp and for a while now I have been able to reload a mag from slide lock and it automatically chambers a round without touching the slide stop,I am not loading the mag in any harder than I ever had. I think it's cool and was wondering if this is bad or could cause any damage over time?

If you're reloading during a course of fire and you have your finger on the trigger and it slams shut and fires......it's an automatic DQ.....right???

Yes, even if it didn't fire upon closing.

[Duane Thomas]

Just to clarify, he's not saying it's a DQ if the slide goes forward when you slap in the fresh mag, he's saying it's a DQ for reloading with your finger on the trigger.

[Aircooled6racer]

Hello: That's great That is the way I set up my single stacks and Glocks. If you use a 14lb recoil spring it will work great. Thanks, Eric

[KING 45ACP]

That's what I'm using is a 14lb recoil spring. And also I don't reload with my finger on the trigger.

[Afghanmissionrat]

This thread has answered a question I've had for years. I don't think I've ever fired a pistol and reloaded when the slide didn't didn't release. I didn't think I was seating the magazines that hard. This has been true for Glock, Sig, and Wilson CQB. I guess as long as I'm indexing my trigger finger I should be ok. Thanks for the thread.

[Chris Keen]

This thread RAISES more questions than it answers ....... Why are you running your gun to slide-lock when you shoot a HI-CAP 2011 with 19 rounds in the mag?

Roy, you should be reloading prior to slide-lock. Then you won't have to worry about whether it's good or bad for your gun!

[KING 45ACP]

Chris Keen, on 04 February 2010 - 12:31 AM, said:

This thread RAISES more questions than it answers ....... Why are you running your gun to slide-lock when you shoot a HI-CAP 2011 with 19 rounds in the mag?

Roy, you should be reloading prior to slide-lock. Then you won't have to worry about whether it's good or bad for your gun!

I nomally do reload before slide lock,but sometimes things happen. Also I shoot a Para hi-cap.

This post has been edited by KING 45ACP: 04 February 2010 - 04:42 AM

[RufDog]

Good topic. On occasion I have found myself @ slide lock.... I do pretty solid reloads, well this gun I got used does the rest for me if I load from slide lock. I kinda like it! I will however have some things checked out on it since some of you have mentioned it can be a symptom of potential issues. Thanks guys.

[P.Pres]

I'm confused on the DQ ??

You cant have your finger on the trigger at "any" point in the reload not just when the slide is down ??



Oh, and some people pay good money to modify their "low Cap" single stacks to work just like this ... On a high cap gun, just cut off completely and forget about it ..

[steel1212]

P.Pres, on 04 February 2010 - 04:47 PM, said:

I'm confused on the DQ ??

You cant have your finger on the trigger at "any" point in the reload not just when the slide is down ??



Oh, and some people pay good money to modify their "low Cap" single stacks to work just like this ... On a high cap gun, just cut off completely and forget about it ..

I personally want my Single Stack to work like its suppose to. I want it to lock back if I need that 9th and if so I want my slide stop to stay locked back until "I" unlock it. If not you'll expect it to slam forward and at some point it will fail to do so or fail to strip a round because you bumped it hard before the mag was seated.

[LPatterson]

The problem I see with a slam load is that with a combination of circumstances you could also get a slam fire. All the safeties disengaged, the gun fires during a reload and it would be hard to prove it was equipment failure. I would see it as an early trip for ice cream.

[sperman]

P.Pres, on 04 February 2010 - 04:47 PM, said:

I'm confused on the DQ ??

You cant have your finger on the trigger at "any" point in the reload not just when the slide is down ??

10.5 Match Disqualification – Unsafe Gun Handling

Examples of unsafe gun handling include, but are not limited to:
...
10.5.9 Failure to keep the finger outside the trigger guard during loading, reloading, or unloading.

The only excpetion listed is for dropping the hammer at "Make Ready." If you are reloading, even if your slide is back, and your finger is in the trigger guard, you are going home.

This post has been edited by sperman: 05 February 2010 - 07:48 AM

[KING 45ACP]

LPatterson, on 05 February 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

The problem I see with a slam load is that with a combination of circumstances you could also get a slam fire. All the safeties disengaged, the gun fires during a reload and it would be hard to prove it was equipment failure. I would see it as an early trip for ice cream.

Slam loading is similar to regular loading,safetys off-insert mag -pull slide back and release it forward or with the slide locked back then inserting a mag and pushing down the slide stop and releasing the slide. So there is just as much chance of a slam fire there.

I don't know how all the DQ discussion started but,I am aware of the rules and I never reload with my finger in the trigger guard. I also have never got DQed.

[twodownzero]

P.Pres, on 04 February 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

I'm confused on the DQ ??

You cant have your finger on the trigger at "any" point in the reload not just when the slide is down ??



Oh, and some people pay good money to modify their "low Cap" single stacks to work just like this ... On a high cap gun, just cut off completely and forget about it ..

You cannot have your finger on the trigger while "reloading," at all.

KING 45ACP, on 05 February 2010 - 09:31 AM, said:

LPatterson, on 05 February 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

The problem I see with a slam load is that with a combination of circumstances you could also get a slam fire. All the safeties disengaged, the gun fires during a reload and it would be hard to prove it was equipment failure. I would see it as an early trip for ice cream.

Slam loading is similar to regular loading,safetys off-insert mag -pull slide back and release it forward or with the slide locked back then inserting a mag and pushing down the slide stop and releasing the slide. So there is just as much chance of a slam fire there.

I don't know how all the DQ discussion started but,I am aware of the rules and I never reload with my finger in the trigger guard. I also have never got DQed.

I don't see a slam fire as a legitimate possibility in a 1911. With a spring loaded firing pin, it's all but impossible.

Discussion of DQ started because if the gun fires during your "stunt" you will be DQ'ed immediately.

There are two types of USPSA shooters: those who have been DQ'ed, and those who will. I'm in the former category and have had my one DQ for a lifetime.

[hk_mtbr]

I asked the same question quite some time back and I've found that the answer given was true.

Some guns close when driving a mag home and some do not.

My CZ racks/closes while I reload...I like it. ymmv

I'm pretty sure this was to the original point...I got a bit confused in there...

[calishootr]

as was stated before, the slide stop is probably worn, also i did this to all my 2011 guns is that i made a deeper indent in the slide stop forthe plunger pin to seat against to preclude any premature(in my case) locking ofthe slide open

[P.Pres]

Quote

You cannot have your finger on the trigger while "reloading," at all.

That was my point !!

[LPatterson]

KING 45ACP, on 05 February 2010 - 08:31 AM, said:

LPatterson, on 05 February 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

The problem I see with a slam load is that with a combination of circumstances you could also get a slam fire. All the safeties disengaged, the gun fires during a reload and it would be hard to prove it was equipment failure. I would see it as an early trip for ice cream.

Slam loading is similar to regular loading,safetys off-insert mag -pull slide back and release it forward or with the slide locked back then inserting a mag and pushing down the slide stop and releasing the slide. So there is just as much chance of a slam fire there.

I don't know how all the DQ discussion started but,I am aware of the rules and I never reload with my finger in the trigger guard. I also have never got DQed.

My statement was not aimed at a particular person and as part of "Make Ready" I see very few people who lock the slide to the rear and slam the magazine in trying to load the first round automatically. But it wouldn't matter to me as a RO if it fired the first time the slide closed or on your 10th reload. If I could see that the gun is not pointed toward a target during a load operation, then I would let you prove to the RM that you had a broken gun. I make a call based on what I see, explain to the RM what I saw/didn't see and let him/her decide if you continue or get an early ice cream. I am a firm believer that MR. MURPHY is out there lurking so never say never, he considers that a challenge.

RFE correct silly spelling errors.

This post has been edited by LPatterson: 06 February 2010 - 08:07 AM

[wide45]

LPatterson, on 06 February 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

KING 45ACP, on 05 February 2010 - 08:31 AM, said:

LPatterson, on 05 February 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

The problem I see with a slam load is that with a combination of circumstances you could also get a slam fire. All the safeties disengaged, the gun fires during a reload and it would be hard to prove it was equipment failure. I would see it as an early trip for ice cream.

Slam loading is similar to regular loading,safetys off-insert mag -pull slide back and release it forward or with the slide locked back then inserting a mag and pushing down the slide stop and releasing the slide. So there is just as much chance of a slam fire there.

I don't know how all the DQ discussion started but,I am aware of the rules and I never reload with my finger in the trigger guard. I also have never got DQed.

My statement was not aimed at a particular person and as part of "Make Ready" I see very few people who lock the slide to the rear and slam the magazine in trying to load the first round automatically. But it wouldn't matter to me as a RO if it fired the first time the slide closed or on your 10th reload. If I could see that the gun is not pointed toward a target during a load operation, then I would let you prove to the RM that you had a broken gun. I make a call based on what I see, explain to the RM what I saw/didn't see and let him/her decide if you continue or get an early ice cream. I am a firm believer that MR. MURPHY is out there lurking so never say never, he considers that a challenge.

RFE correct silly spelling errors.

Broken gun alibi is gone.

[KING 45ACP]

LPatterson, on 06 February 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

KING 45ACP, on 05 February 2010 - 08:31 AM, said:

LPatterson, on 05 February 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

The problem I see with a slam load is that with a combination of circumstances you could also get a slam fire. All the safeties disengaged, the gun fires during a reload and it would be hard to prove it was equipment failure. I would see it as an early trip for ice cream.

Slam loading is similar to regular loading,safetys off-insert mag -pull slide back and release it forward or with the slide locked back then inserting a mag and pushing down the slide stop and releasing the slide. So there is just as much chance of a slam fire there.

I don't know how all the DQ discussion started but,I am aware of the rules and I never reload with my finger in the trigger guard. I also have never got DQed.

My statement was not aimed at a particular person and as part of "Make Ready" I see very few people who lock the slide to the rear and slam the magazine in trying to load the first round automatically. But it wouldn't matter to me as a RO if it fired the first time the slide closed or on your 10th reload. If I could see that the gun is not pointed toward a target during a load operation, then I would let you prove to the RM that you had a broken gun. I make a call based on what I see, explain to the RM what I saw/didn't see and let him/her decide if you continue or get an early ice cream. I am a firm believer that MR. MURPHY is out there lurking so never say never, he considers that a challenge.

RFE correct silly spelling errors.

I understand what you mean, I was just saying if a gun were to slam fire there would be just as much of a chance to do it when you would regularly load the gun when you pull the slide back and let it go. It still chambers a round pretty much the same way-very violently.