[Bongo Boy]

I'm in the mood for a timer, but I'd like to pipe the buzzer right into my cortex...er, I mean ear muffs. For example, I use the MSA electronic muffs which have an Audio In jack (I guess so you can listen to MP3s or something while you're shooting ). So as not to irritate the hell out of other shooters, I'd like to get an audio signal out of a timer, defeat the buzzer, and plug it into the MSAs.

First, do ANY timers offer this (uh, no would be the answer), and second, are there any timers that 1) you can get apart non-destructively, 2) that have an accessible source of audio signal, 3) don't have the buzzer soldered directly to a PC board, and 4) have room to install a standard 1/8" mono jack?

This seems like a super-obvious requirement to me for, say, practice at a crowded indoor range or even an outdoor range for that matter.

Suggestions? I've asked CED directly but received no response, and have just emailed PACT, but expect only the distant sound of laughter.

[yoshidaex]

the CED 7000 has a audio out jack you can plug some headphones into. the actual beep isn't a beep but more like a "thunk".

[NMBOpen]

From the CED800 web page:
# Memory Recall / storage and unlimited shot record & review function
# Program Menu Display / selection
# Preprogrammed NRA Bianchi, PPC, & Field Shooting events
# Sportsman Challenge Countdown Mode and Gunsmith Mode
# Custom Earphone plug with volume control for private training. When in use, the timer’s buzzer is disconnected
# Custom PAR allows single or multiple time settings with variable delay intervals
# Dual forward / reverse Review function
# Rotational Stainless Steel Belt Clip

[Classic_jon]

Bongo Boy, on Oct 2 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

I'm in the mood for a timer, but I'd like to pipe the buzzer right into my cortex...er, I mean ear muffs. For example, I use the MSA electronic muffs which have an Audio In jack (I guess so you can listen to MP3s or something while you're shooting ). So as not to irritate the hell out of other shooters, I'd like to get an audio signal out of a timer, defeat the buzzer, and plug it into the MSAs.

First, do ANY timers offer this (uh, no would be the answer), and second, are there any timers that 1) you can get apart non-destructively, 2) that have an accessible source of audio signal, 3) don't have the buzzer soldered directly to a PC board, and 4) have room to install a standard 1/8" mono jack?

This seems like a super-obvious requirement to me for, say, practice at a crowded indoor range or even an outdoor range for that matter.

Suggestions? I've asked CED directly but received no response, and have just emailed PACT, but expect only the distant sound of laughter.

Funny that I was talking to a friend of mine about this *exact* idea yesterday!

I was starting to look around to see if I could dig up an old larger PACT timer that I could solder on more easily and see about a conversion. To me it should be a fairly simple splitter setup with a switch to toggle it to the headphones or the speaker on the timer...or possibly even both if you wanted to get fancy.

The only thing I can think of that would be an issue is the timer determining which shot was yours at a crowded range without some way of picking it out of the crowd. I was thinking some kind of Piezo or other "contact" that would attach to your pistol in such a situation to allow it to only "listen" to your pistol.
(BTW that is my idea and if anyone uses it I want in on it! )

Glad to see I am not the Only one that thinks this is a good idea!

[Bongo Boy]

Classic_jon, on Oct 2 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

The only thing I can think of that would be an issue is the timer determining which shot was yours at a crowded range without some way of picking it out of the crowd.

Well, THAT may be why it's not a hugely popular option. I'm seriously embarassed to admit this little problem never occurred to me. Duh.

I think I read that the output on the CED 700 is a 5VDC signal, not an audio signal. This might explain the 'thunk' you hear. My impression, because they say it can be used to activate targets, is that it's intended to fire a relay (to turn on a buzzer or target actuator).

Okay, I think I'm back to square One now.

[ChuckS]

Classic_jon, on Oct 2 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

The only thing I can think of that would be an issue is the timer determining which shot was yours at a crowded range without some way of picking it out of the crowd. I was thinking some kind of Piezo or other "contact" that would attach to your pistol in such a situation to allow it to only "listen" to your pistol.
(BTW that is my idea and if anyone uses it I want in on it! )

Glad to see I am not the Only one that thinks this is a good idea!

Actually, Ed McGivern had mechanical switches connected to his revolvers that were interfaced to timers. I am pretty sure that was in the 1930's or so

ETA: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Ed_McGivern

This post has been edited by ChuckS: 02 October 2009 - 04:33 PM

[Flatland Shooter]

Bongo Boy, on Oct 2 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Classic_jon, on Oct 2 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

The only thing I can think of that would be an issue is the timer determining which shot was yours at a crowded range without some way of picking it out of the crowd.

Well, THAT may be why it's not a hugely popular option.

How about a stop plate? I'd like to see someone construct a vibration type switch that can be attached to the back of a fixed steel plate via a magnet and attached to the timer with some telephone wire.

Or is there one out there already?

Bill

[Classic_jon]

Flatland Shooter, on Oct 2 2009, 07:03 PM, said:

Bongo Boy, on Oct 2 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Classic_jon, on Oct 2 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

The only thing I can think of that would be an issue is the timer determining which shot was yours at a crowded range without some way of picking it out of the crowd.

Well, THAT may be why it's not a hugely popular option.

How about a stop plate? I'd like to see someone construct a vibration type switch that can be attached to the back of a fixed steel plate via a magnet and attached to the timer with some telephone wire.

Or is there one out there already?

Bill

I would be surprised if someone has not done that. It would be pretty simple to rig with some steel and a basic load cell In My Opinion. The load cell would not wear out as fast as a standard mechanical contact I would think and would be much less likely to malfunction in wind or if bumped.

[jkatz44]

Classic_jon, on Oct 6 2009, 10:19 AM, said:

Flatland Shooter, on Oct 2 2009, 07:03 PM, said:

Bongo Boy, on Oct 2 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Classic_jon, on Oct 2 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

The only thing I can think of that would be an issue is the timer determining which shot was yours at a crowded range without some way of picking it out of the crowd.

Well, THAT may be why it's not a hugely popular option.

How about a stop plate? I'd like to see someone construct a vibration type switch that can be attached to the back of a fixed steel plate via a magnet and attached to the timer with some telephone wire.

Or is there one out there already?

Bill

I would be surprised if someone has not done that. It would be pretty simple to rig with some steel and a basic load cell In My Opinion. The load cell would not wear out as fast as a standard mechanical contact I would think and would be much less likely to malfunction in wind or if bumped.

what is a cheap decent timer for dry fire

[Matt P.]

My CED 8000 has the ear phones. I have used it before and with the ear buds, they fit comfortably. I also have the big board so playing with the timer during practice is at a minimum.

[Flatland Shooter]

jkatz44, on Oct 7 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

what is a cheap decent timer for dry fire

Since dry fire will not record when the "shot" is fired, all you really need is a start beep and a par time beep. You want to keep your draw below 1.5 seconds, set the par time (the second beep) at 1.5 seconds after the start beep.

I do most of my dry fire in my home office, so I just fire up the PC and use the program "RU Ready". It allows random start beeps as well as par time beeps.

And its "free".

Bill

http://www.brianenos...amp;hl=RU+Ready

This post has been edited by Flatland Shooter: 07 October 2009 - 04:07 PM

[Patrick82]

Flatland Shooter, on Oct 8 2009, 01:00 AM, said:

jkatz44, on Oct 7 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

what is a cheap decent timer for dry fire

Since dry fire will not record when the "shot" is fired, all you really need is a start beep and a par time beep. You want to keep your draw below 1.5 seconds, set the par time (the second beep) at 1.5 seconds after the start beep.

I do most of my dry fire in my home office, so I just fire up the PC and use the program "RU Ready". It allows random start beeps as well as par time beeps.

And its "free".

Bill

http://www.brianenos...amp;hl=RU+Ready

That was what I was looking for as well, thanks!