[zero_down]

I need your help guys. Before you mention the capacity issue, I know that I'll be handicapped already compared to the 38sc guys. I've already got my 38 super race gun but was looking at buying this as just a fun gun and maybe running it at some local matches. I have the opportunity to buy a 45 race gun, c-more, 7 port comp, etc...the normal race package along with 4 big stick mags and 2 140mm mags. My question is, if I decide to buy this, is this gun going to shoot like a race gun or will it shoot like a regular 45 with a red dot on top? Will there be ammo issues? Does the comp work with 45 auto? I just need some expert advise on swaying my decision. Maybe you guys can come up with things I haven't thought of. Like I said, this would be a fun gun.

BTW: This gun was custom built by reputable gunsmith and has not been shot much at all. Owner is just getting out of shooting so he's selling almost all of his guns.

[steel1212]

zero_down, on Aug 22 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

I need your help guys. Before you mention the capacity issue, I know that I'll be handicapped already compared to the 38sc guys. I've already got my 38 super race gun but was looking at buying this as just a fun gun and maybe running it at some local matches. I have the opportunity to buy a 45 race gun, c-more, 7 port comp, etc...the normal race package along with 4 big stick mags and 2 140mm mags. My question is, if I decide to buy this, is this gun going to shoot like a race gun or will it shoot like a regular 45 with a red dot on top? Will there be ammo issues? Does the comp work with 45 auto? I just need some expert advise on swaying my decision. Maybe you guys can come up with things I haven't thought of. Like I said, this would be a fun gun.

BTW: This gun was custom built by reputable gunsmith and has not been shot much at all. Owner is just getting out of shooting so he's selling almost all of his guns.

I think if you use small light bullets the comp would work ok. I just don't see the need for it if you already have a super. Its handicapped in more ways than capacity

[zero_down]

steel1212, on Aug 22 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

zero_down, on Aug 22 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

I need your help guys. Before you mention the capacity issue, I know that I'll be handicapped already compared to the 38sc guys. I've already got my 38 super race gun but was looking at buying this as just a fun gun and maybe running it at some local matches. I have the opportunity to buy a 45 race gun, c-more, 7 port comp, etc...the normal race package along with 4 big stick mags and 2 140mm mags. My question is, if I decide to buy this, is this gun going to shoot like a race gun or will it shoot like a regular 45 with a red dot on top? Will there be ammo issues? Does the comp work with 45 auto? I just need some expert advise on swaying my decision. Maybe you guys can come up with things I haven't thought of. Like I said, this would be a fun gun.

BTW: This gun was custom built by reputable gunsmith and has not been shot much at all. Owner is just getting out of shooting so he's selling almost all of his guns.

I think if you use small light bullets the comp would work ok. I just don't see the need for it if you already have a super. Its handicapped in more ways than capacity

Handicapped in more ways than capacity? How so?

[G-ManBart]

It wouldn't be terrible, but even with "light" bullets it won't work as well as a Super/SC/9 will. The comp would work, but it won't be the same. Larger bore, slower gas velocity as it hits the comp, less gas volume unless you can find a powder where you can dump 15-18gr in behind one of those 155gr bullets (lightest I've seen in .45), etc, etc.

Figure that with one of the 9/38 setups you're pushing 8-11gr of a slow powder down a .355 bore. Jump up to a .451 bore and you're going to need a lot more powder to fill the bore to the same sorta density and even then you probably can't get close because the pressure limits of .45 are so much lower. In short, it's going to flip more and transfer more to your hand.

The other thing is that for a "fun" gun there's no market for it if you decide to sell it later. Now if it was in .40 I'd say grab it if the price is right. .40 is cheaper to shoot/load for and there are always a few folks around that want a .40 Open gun (crazy people...LOL). R,

[GrumpyOne]

G-ManBart, on Aug 22 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

It wouldn't be terrible, but even with "light" bullets it won't work as well as a Super/SC/9 will. The comp would work, but it won't be the same. Larger bore, slower gas velocity as it hits the comp, less gas volume unless you can find a powder where you can dump 15-18gr in behind one of those 155gr bullets (lightest I've seen in .45), etc, etc.

Figure that with one of the 9/38 setups you're pushing 8-11gr of a slow powder down a .355 bore. Jump up to a .451 bore and you're going to need a lot more powder to fill the bore to the same sorta density and even then you probably can't get close because the pressure limits of .45 are so much lower. In short, it's going to flip more and transfer more to your hand.

The other thing is that for a "fun" gun there's no market for it if you decide to sell it later. Now if it was in .40 I'd say grab it if the price is right. .40 is cheaper to shoot/load for and there are always a few folks around that want a .40 Open gun (crazy people...LOL). R,

So I'm crazy, eh? I have two open 40's, guess that makes totally insane! Honestly, there is a couple of old school guys I shoot with that the .45 open is about all they shoot, but with our club rules (We're a small club, with not many shooters, in a small community, so we try to make it revolver friendly by limiting all mags to 6 rounds, so everyone is even when it comes to re-loads.), it's no handicap in shooting, just in cost.

[G-ManBart]

GrumpyOne, on Aug 22 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

So I'm crazy, eh? I have two open 40's, guess that makes totally insane!

Not totally...you do have your .38S TruBor listed first

[GrumpyOne]

Yeah, But I have two of the P9's in 40 and the Python......

[Jager1147]

Bowling pins maybe? I had one a few years back in single stack, shot pretty flat with 155's (I still have a bunch too). Cheap to shoot lead, and load the brass until it splits. I guess if the price is right and it's just a fun gun, then go have fun.

[zero_down]

so then what you guys are saying that if I shoot regular 230 gr ammo through the pistol, it'll shoot just like my regular 1911? I don't reload and have to rely on factory ammo, so if I have to shoot light/fast loads then I guess this pistol is a no/go.

[hitman]

Back in the day 45 racegun was a common sight on the range.

I think a 7 port comp might be too much but who knows.

I ran 200 grn through a Wilson 2 port for a couple years and it seemed to work fine.

[VegasOPM]

It might be fun, and it will definitely be a conversation piece. I can't see a niche for it though.

[benny hill]

I would buy it, ream the chamber .100 deeper & make a 460 roland out of it. 44 mag power out of a hi- cap. I just like lots of power sometimes.

[gino_aki]

zero_down, on Aug 22 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

so then what you guys are saying that if I shoot regular 230 gr ammo through the pistol, it'll shoot just like my regular 1911? I don't reload and have to rely on factory ammo, so if I have to shoot light/fast loads then I guess this pistol is a no/go.

It won't be quite as harsh as a Limited 45. And if that comp is steel or stainless the main benefit you're gettin' from the extra holes is the weight as most of the gas will be expended in the first two. a .45 race gun will definitely teach you about focusing on accuracy and stage breakdown since you're down on capacity...but some of those former C and D hits will be A's and C's cuz of the big holes. You're not really going to be competitive with the 9/.38 crowd but if you are diligent, you'll surprise some of the .40 guys.

[whatmeworry]

Take the money you are going to spend on that relic and buy yourself some reloading equipment. This is one of those situations that seems cool but you'll be wishing you had not bought the gun in a couple of months. Then as Bart said you will find that there is no market for it when you decide to try and recoupe some of your hard earned $$$.
CYa,
Pat

[PINMAN44]

Hey benny I have always wanted to make a tribrid LAR grizzly in 44 mag.

Just because it's cool.

[joecichlid]

benny hill, on Aug 23 2009, 04:25 AM, said:

I would buy it, ream the chamber .100 deeper & make a 460 roland out of it. 44 mag power out of a hi- cap. I just like lots of power sometimes.

Now THAT would be a great pin gun. I need to get out to our local pin match more often, they just keep on shooting those things.

Joe W

[CocoBolo]

I have seen a lot of 45 single Stack open guns sell on gun broker and the forums, they bring about $800 to $1000. So a steal of a deal on a double stack would have to be in that ball park.

I bought a 40 open gun ($600) with 7 mags holster mag holders belt etc for Steel matches after expiermenting with bullets and powders I got lucky and sold it for $850, kept the belt. It did shoot a little softer and flatter than my limited gun and the Pro Point made it possible to hit steel with ease. 135gr bullet with 7.2gr IMR7625 1300 fps.

We get these impulses to buy these things that are cheap but tire of them rather quickly, sometimes we get our money back out to buy another toy to play with sometimes not.

[ArvinM]

Buy it but don't pay too much for it. It may be hard to sell when you're done with it. I always think of the resale value of my guns, just because I get tired of them too quickly and like to replace them often.

[Service Desk]

CocoBolo, on Aug 26 2009, 06:33 AM, said:

We get these impulses to buy these things that are cheap but tire of them rather quickly, sometimes we get our money back out to buy another toy to play with sometimes not.

And I thought it was just me....... .... sheesh! I am really normal.

(Uh.. Oh...I can feel myself slipping into indulgence mode ) You could always re-barrel it in .38 Casull....

[Braxton1]

I'm liking the "spend that money on some reloading equipment" idea!!!

[Harmon]

ive shot several 45 comp guns and they work reasonably well.

try winchester white box 185 fmj if you can get them.

ive thought about putting a comp and dot on my singlestack to shoot steel with.

155 over a max charge of CLAYS does shoot good.

Harmon