[leam]

If I shoot a classifier in SS/Major and get my usual 30-somthing %, would my score be the same if I were classed as Open/Major? That is, are the score values related to Division?

Leam

[ima45dv8]

Not necessarily. Depends on the particular classifier.
Go to the Classifier Calculator and plug in the same hit factor for a given classifier using different divisions.

[steel1212]

The only ones that are the same or similar are Limited/L10/SS. A lot of, but not all, L10 HHF are based off of Limited. They based the SS HHF off of L10 until more classifiers are entered.

[leam]

ima45dv8, on Jul 6 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

Not necessarily. Depends on the particular classifier.
Go to the Classifier Calculator and plug in the same hit factor for a given classifier using different divisions.

Two quick tests: CM08-06 and CM99-14, using a HF of 35.0, gave the same results within 0.0001% for Production, Open, Revolver, and SS. Using CM99-14 with a HF or 80 made the difference a little wider, 0.0005% or so. So perhaps at the M/GM level there would be a difference. At my level, not really.

I have half a mind (on a good day) to just start shooting Open with my Single stack. Given that I generally grace the bottom of the competitor list anyway, at least I could get enough scores reported to get classified. I could also fix up my gun however I wanted and wouldn't ahve to worry about what Division I'm in.

Leam

[g34]

leam, on Jul 6 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

ima45dv8, on Jul 6 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

Not necessarily. Depends on the particular classifier.
Go to the Classifier Calculator and plug in the same hit factor for a given classifier using different divisions.

Two quick tests: CM08-06 and CM99-14, using a HF of 35.0, gave the same results within 0.0001% for Production, Open, Revolver, and SS. Using CM99-14 with a HF or 80 made the difference a little wider, 0.0005% or so. So perhaps at the M/GM level there would be a difference. At my level, not really.

I have half a mind (on a good day) to just start shooting Open with my Single stack. Given that I generally grace the bottom of the competitor list anyway, at least I could get enough scores reported to get classified. I could also fix up my gun however I wanted and wouldn't ahve to worry about what Division I'm in.

Leam

I might be reading this wrong, but how is it possible to get a hit factor of 35 or 80?

[leam]

g34, on Jul 6 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

I might be reading this wrong, but how is it possible to get a hit factor of 35 or 80?

Easy, have someone new tothe sport make up unmbers to put into the calculator!

What would be some better numbers? For my use, I'm a D grade shooter so what might be appropriate entries for that?

Leam

[boz1911]

leam, on Jul 6 2009, 06:38 PM, said:

g34, on Jul 6 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

I might be reading this wrong, but how is it possible to get a hit factor of 35 or 80?

Easy, have someone new tothe sport make up unmbers to put into the calculator!

What would be some better numbers? For my use, I'm a D grade shooter so what might be appropriate entries for that?

Leam

Except for fixed time classifiers try a HF of 5.0. There are no HF's lower tham that, at least in open division.

[leam]

boz1911, on Jul 6 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Except for fixed time classifiers try a HF of 5.0. There are no HF's lower tham that, at least in open division.

CM08-06 and CM99-14, using a HF of 5.0, gave the same results within 0.0001% for Production, Open, Revolver, and SS.

I'm open to the concept of "operator error", but not sure how to identify it. My usual classifier scores are in the low-mid 30's which is why I chose 35.0 before. It came up with a percentage of just under 39%.

Leam

[boz1911]

leam, on Jul 6 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

boz1911, on Jul 6 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Except for fixed time classifiers try a HF of 5.0. There are no HF's lower tham that, at least in open division.

CM08-06 and CM99-14, using a HF of 5.0, gave the same results within 0.0001% for Production, Open, Revolver, and SS.

I'm open to the concept of "operator error", but not sure how to identify it. My usual classifier scores are in the low-mid 30's which is why I chose 35.0 before. It came up with a percentage of just under 39%.

Leam

Those are fixed time classifiers, hence 100% will be all the available points in the alotted time. Ex: 100 points available and you get 35ponts, your % will be 35%.

For all non fixed time classifiers use the hit factor and you will get your percentage.

[leam]

boz1911, on Jul 6 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

Those are fixed time classifiers, hence 100% will be all the available points in the alotted time. Ex: 100 points available and you get 35ponts, your % will be 35%.

For all non fixed time classifiers use the hit factor and you will get your percentage.

Okay, using some of the classifiers I have on record I'd lose ~5% going from SS to Open. Not that big a deal when you're at the 30% range.

Thanks!

Leam

This post has been edited by leam: 06 July 2009 - 06:30 PM

[aztecdriver]

leam, on Jul 6 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

boz1911, on Jul 6 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

Those are fixed time classifiers, hence 100% will be all the available points in the alotted time. Ex: 100 points available and you get 35ponts, your % will be 35%.

For all non fixed time classifiers use the hit factor and you will get your percentage.

Okay, using some of the classifiers I have on record I'd lose ~5% going from SS to Open. Not that big a deal when you're at the 30% range.

Thanks!

Leam

Leam,

Not to discourage you - do what you want - but I've noticed while classifiers and standards test just those things - competing with a single stack gun in open would be - delicately stated - painful on field courses. If you really want to get some open scores in, by all means - shoot a second classifier and pay the $3.00 or whatever the cost is for submitting an extra classifier. I did that with my production rig - and just reshot for limited minor. I would think, though, that shooting an entire match(s) against the open crowd with 30 rnd sticks, comps, and dots would be less fun.

If your goal is more scores - shoot the match SS - and submit a second classifier run in open, where the club permits it.