[ER_STL]

The CZ lineup interests me quite a bit - especially the P01 for carry. When I handled one at the store I noticed that the grips don't run very high up on the frame though. As I played around with applying a thumbs forward grip on the gun I just wasn't able to get my support hand very high up on the gun.

For those of you shooting them in competition, do you just keep your support hand lower on the gun? Any pictures? I was watching a few videos on YouTube of a guy competing with one and he looked like he kept his hands pretty high. I was wondering what the thumbmeat area of his support hand could be contacting since it would have been above where the grips stopped.

EDIT: Here's a good example. Adam Tyc reloading his CZ...look how high his support hand is.

YouTube video - Adam Tyc Reloading

This post has been edited by ER_STL: 19 May 2009 - 08:36 AM

[ChuckS]

Watch the slide show at the top of Adam's website: http://www.adamtyc.eu/

I like ths SP-01 because it points the same as a 1911. I never noticed anything difficult about my support hand as long as it is cammed forward. My strong hand thumb is on the safety and the other one points in the general directon of what I am shooting at.

Stuart?


Later,
Chuck

[eerw]

as far as where my support hand is..it's in the same place as when shooting a 1911/STI/SV, M&P, Glock etc.
it's as high as possible on the gun..

in fact..I think the CZ sit far lower in the hand than most of the other platforms.

[chrisa006]

If you stop the video you will see his middle finger of the support hand is on the trigger guard where most people put their index finger. This seems to move the hand a little higher

[Ramas]

Adam Tyc is using safties from CZ Rami pistol. It allows him to put his left hand higher also.

[burningsquirrels]

On my SP-01 I just get my hands up as high as I can.

To get an idea of my grip, wedge the web of your right hand up high in the beavertail area and wrap your right hand around. then your left hand has either index or middle finger bumping the bottom of the trigger guard. My left hand is rotated forward to where the tip of my right thumb is behind the base of my left thumb.

This picture is of a 40b, but the same principle applies.



Not sure why i don't have any better pics of me shooting. I can't even find the original from where this pic was taken, lol.

Now, just as important as teh rest of the grip... I also flare my elbows out a little. It feels weird, but what it does is it automatically tightens my grip a little more, and also changes the direction at which the recoil impulse transfers to my shoulder.

I'll try to get a picture of it later, but try this: Hold the gun as I described above, with thumbs pointing to the target. Then, using a table, crouch down until your elbows hit the table. Then, spread your elbows out to bring the gun down lower to the table. This is the flare I'm talking about. I guess the grip helps lower the bore center line to your hands/wrists, and the elbow flare straightens the path to your shoulders. Without the flare, the gun will jump up, but will bounce back onto target naturally from your grip and thumbs pointing forward. With the elbows flared a little, I find that because the arms bend into each other like an arch, the gun moves towards you instead of above your head.

This is just what works for me, I'll try to take some pics later to help explain it. Let me know if I made sense or not.

[Siphon Odesse]

This goes to show what difference the shape of your hand makes. When I grip my CZ, with a relaxed, proper grip, the topmost point of my weak hand (left) thumb will be about as high as the top of the slide. The tip of my right thumb, resting more or less on the weak hand thumb, will actually be above the top of the slide. For me, this is slightly higher on the gun than with a 1911. Don't have a picture of this, but anyway..

Siphon

[sherpa]

Siphon Odesse, on Jun 13 2009, 05:03 AM, said:

This goes to show what difference the shape of your hand makes. When I grip my CZ, with a relaxed, proper grip, the topmost point of my weak hand (left) thumb will be about as high as the top of the slide. The tip of my right thumb, resting more or less on the weak hand thumb, will actually be above the top of the slide. For me, this is slightly higher on the gun than with a 1911. Don't have a picture of this, but anyway..

Siphon

Siphon, when you find the time, pls try to take a pic of this grip. I'm curious as to how it looks, that high at the top of the slide.

[TWHaz]

ER_STL, on May 19 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

The CZ lineup interests me quite a bit - especially the P01 for carry. When I handled one at the store I noticed that the grips don't run very high up on the frame though. As I played around with applying a thumbs forward grip on the gun I just wasn't able to get my support hand very high up on the gun.

For those of you shooting them in competition, do you just keep your support hand lower on the gun? Any pictures? I was watching a few videos on YouTube of a guy competing with one and he looked like he kept his hands pretty high. I was wondering what the thumbmeat area of his support hand could be contacting since it would have been above where the grips stopped.

EDIT: Here's a good example. Adam Tyc reloading his CZ...look how high his support hand is.

YouTube video - Adam Tyc Reloading

Better video of Adams grip.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[Gary1911A1]

TWHaz, on Jun 12 2009, 06:30 PM, said:

ER_STL, on May 19 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

The CZ lineup interests me quite a bit - especially the P01 for carry. When I handled one at the store I noticed that the grips don't run very high up on the frame though. As I played around with applying a thumbs forward grip on the gun I just wasn't able to get my support hand very high up on the gun.

For those of you shooting them in competition, do you just keep your support hand lower on the gun? Any pictures? I was watching a few videos on YouTube of a guy competing with one and he looked like he kept his hands pretty high. I was wondering what the thumbmeat area of his support hand could be contacting since it would have been above where the grips stopped.

EDIT: Here's a good example. Adam Tyc reloading his CZ...look how high his support hand is.

YouTube video - Adam Tyc Reloading

Better video of Adams grip.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Interesting how his support hand's index finger goes under the trigger guard. I'll have to give that a try.

[ER_STL]

Gary1911A1, on Jun 13 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

Interesting how his support hand's index finger goes under the trigger guard. I'll have to give that a try.

Yup - I've started noticing that quite a few people do that. Mas Ayoob does something similar in his "Wedge" grip. I played around with that on last week while shooting but I wasn't able to get the front sight to track consistently.

I fondled a CZ-75 at the gun shop last weekend to confirm what I thought I had noticed before - that the grip panels don't extend very high on the sides of the gun. For me, I had to slightly adjust my grip so that the support hand thumb-meat didn't end up dangling up over the top. On my Glock and M&P my support hand is high enough that it almost touches the slide. I wasn't able to bring it that high up on the CZ.

In the end though I need to try the gun out at the range to see if moving my hand a bit lower than usual has much of an effect on how I shoot the gun. I love the size and feel of the P01...

[Aristotle]

I shoot a CZ in competition, Dan Wesson CZ. Here's my grip anyhow.

[sherpa]

Aristotle, can you show the left side?

Adam's grip is pretty high because his weak hand's social finger is the one up on the trigger guard, unlike most who have the index finger up the trigger guard. Like Ramas said, he uses the smallest safety because his weak palm reaches the safety, and the stock safety of the Shadow is too wide. I believe he then applies pressure at the back part of his weak palm onto the left grip panel.

This post has been edited by sherpa: 14 June 2009 - 05:59 AM

[Siphon Odesse]

sherpa, on Jun 12 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

Siphon, when you find the time, pls try to take a pic of this grip. I'm curious as to how it looks, that high at the top of the slide.

Sherpa, sorry about that. I will get that picture - eventually.
Siphon

[bikerburgess]

I shoot eaa's but mostly the same. I grip right thumb on safety left thumb base up under the rh thumb and safety. I have some grip tape on the side of the frame in front of the slide stop as a tactile reminder to keep my thumb off the slide. One thing to remember is if you are looking at the frame slide joint for a referance point on your grip it is higher on these guns as the slide rides inside the frame.

[Strick]

bikerburgess, on Aug 10 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

I shoot eaa's but mostly the same. I grip right thumb on safety left thumb base up under the rh thumb and safety.

When I shoot the Witness that is what I do also but have found when I use the CZ75 it is harder to accomplish sometimes. The beavertail on the Witness has a better cut to allow for a higher grip and on the CZ I struggle a little when trying to duplicate it. I wish they would recontour the CZ just a touch and it would be perfect.

[eerw]

the newer beavertails of the CZs really make them sit low..
the Shadow, SP01 and some of the stainless models and the 75B omega have the new style beavertail

[J-Hon]

Interesting topic, wish I had seen it earlier.

My strong-hand is wedged up into the beavertail to the point that my strong-hand thumb is actually riding a little on the safety (well, not actually riding, but I can feel the top of it). My support hand rides up high enough that the tip of my support-hand thumb is actual parallel/higher than the top of the slide. The actual joint in my thumb is actually resting against the forward-cutout in the slide-stop; it's kinda weird but it fits in there perfectly.

This is on a '75SA with the normal Shadow-ish extended thumb-safeties, and the old style (IE, 75B, not SP01/P series) slide stop.

[cappopper]

This is good..

I recently worked quite a bit to get a high grip on my Shadow. Did a lot of dry firing and practice draws. Now my support hand´s thumb meat is resting on the left side safety and engaging it occasionally during shooting, causing failures to fire a shot. Damn!

I do have these slightly thinner CZ-custon aluminum grips, and they might let the support hand "too close" to the frame of the gun.

Have you guys had any same sort of issues, and if, how did you solve them?

Or am i destined to have a lower grip on the gun EDIT: no grinding possible, shooting ipsc production.

Thanks in advance!

Juha

This post has been edited by cappopper: 07 February 2010 - 08:45 AM

[J-Ho]

cappopper, on 07 February 2010 - 08:37 AM, said:

This is good..

I recently worked quite a bit to get a high grip on my Shadow. Did a lot of dry firing and practice draws. Now my support hand´s thumb meat is resting on the left side safety and engaging it occasionally during shooting, causing failures to fire a shot. Damn!

I do have these slightly thinner CZ-custon aluminum grips, and they might let the support hand "too close" to the frame of the gun.

Have you guys had any same sort of issues, and if, how did you solve them?

Or am i destined to have a lower grip on the gun

Thanks in advance!

Juha

Mr safty, meet mr grinding wheel.

Since I have hands about the size a a large 4th grader, I don't really have that problem. A friend does and he just cut down the front of the safety so it wasn't in the way and he still had enough to get his strong hand thumb on.

[cappopper]

Yes, sure!

Sorry, i forgot to mention that i shoot production, so no grinding possible

Otherwise, there would be only a little left of my gun´s left hand safety lever

J

[dagger10k]

I'm a pretty new shooter, and was not shooting particularly well on that day, but here is a picture of my grip from a recent match.
I've never had a problem with the safety getting in the way, but because I do have big meaty hands, the slide lock does sometimes get in the way.

I ground it down by 1 groove level and it is much better now.

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This post has been edited by dagger10k: 18 February 2010 - 02:02 PM