Brian Enos's Forums... Maku mozo!: When to load mags? - Brian Enos's Forums... Maku mozo!

Jump to content

  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

When to load mags?

#1 User is offline   Bigpops 

  • Calls Shots
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 705
  • Joined: 02-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lexington Park, MD

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:03 AM

In an effort to avoid the "ah Crap" scenario, I follow a checklist of sorts to make sure we have everything required for the match. Most of our shoots require at least a two hour drive. To help prepare I like to load our mags up early and usually do it the morning of.

Would there be any harm in loading them up the night before?

#2 User is offline   rupie 

  • Sees Sights Lift
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 394
  • Joined: 26-September 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Iowa

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:12 AM

check your state laws, in Iowa if you have loaded magazines you better have a concealed carry permit.
Strive to win within the constraints that life imposes (time to train, money for equipment, natural physical ability, age, etc.) but ENJOY THE JOURNEY. As long as I am better today than I was yesterday, I have won.
"David Ball"

#3 User is offline   SoonerPast 

  • Finally read the FAQs
  • PipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 131
  • Joined: 07-May 06
  • Location:LaGrange, GA

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:17 AM

I like to be ready too. I always have my mags ready. Magazine spring life, it has been said by many, many, is a function of the number of compression/release cycles. Not a matter of how long the spring remains compressed or released.

#4 User is offline   Pharaoh Bender 

  • Do your part.
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Moderators
  • Posts: 6,375
  • Joined: 25-January 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dayton, Ohio

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:19 AM

I prefer to load them up at the match...that way I am able to visually inspect each round (oal and primer to be specific). I do not believe that you would be damaging your mags if you load up the night before though.

#5 User is offline   Bigpops 

  • Calls Shots
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 705
  • Joined: 02-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lexington Park, MD

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:19 AM

View Postrupie, on Apr 10 2009, 08:12 AM, said:

check your state laws, in Iowa if you have loaded magazines you better have a concealed carry permit.


Even if they are seperated from the gun?

Thanks for the info.

#6 User is offline   Bigpops 

  • Calls Shots
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 705
  • Joined: 02-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lexington Park, MD

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:24 AM

View PostPharaoh Bender, on Apr 10 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

I prefer to load them up at the match...that way I am able to visually inspect each round (oal and primer to be specific). I do not believe that you would be damaging your mags if you load up the night before though.



I hear ya! I like to do the same thing at my reloading table because of the bright light. The eyes need it! :cheers:

#7 User is offline   Shawn Knight 

  • Burned Out
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 2,102
  • Joined: 29-May 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nebraska

Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:25 AM

View PostPharaoh Bender, on Apr 10 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

I prefer to load them up at the match...that way I am able to visually inspect each round (oal and primer to be specific). I do not believe that you would be damaging your mags if you load up the night before though.

+1
No matter where you go, there you are.

USPSA L3077
I'm a lifer now!!!

http://theknightoflight.blogspot.com/

#8 User is offline   hk_mtbr 

  • "Nice Man Bag"
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 1,647
  • Joined: 19-October 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cincinnati, OH

Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:01 AM

I think OH has probs with loaded mags...without permit too <_<

KY didn't care...

I usually load then when I get there...

YMMV

#9 User is offline   vluc 

  • Beyond it All
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 1,967
  • Joined: 20-February 02
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Latrobe, PA

Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:56 AM

I load my Glock mags at least a day, more often several days, before a match. Rounds get inspected as they go in, after having been inspected after being made (never know when a bad one will sneak in).

Been doing that for almost 8 years now with no mag problems (and did it my first two seasons with my SIG). Matter of fact finally changed the original springs on most of my 10 round Glock mags last season, and I pack ten mags per match. I have twice as many 17 rounders but tend to not use them in production as the possibility of a counting error is there. As a CRO, I count shots too!
“I aim to misbehave."

Vince Lucchetti
L-3174
Western Pennsylvania Section Coordinator, Area 8
Western Pennsylvania Section Web Page

#10 User is offline   Bigpops 

  • Calls Shots
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 705
  • Joined: 02-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lexington Park, MD

Posted 10 April 2009 - 07:00 AM

View Postvluc, on Apr 10 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

I load my Glock mags at least a day, more often several days, before a match. Rounds get inspected as they go in, after having been inspected after being made (never know when a bad one will sneak in).

Been doing that for almost 8 years now with no mag problems (and did it my first two seasons with my SIG). Matter of fact finally changed the original springs on most of my 10 round Glock mags last season, and I pack ten mags per match. I have twice as many 17 rounders but tend to not use them in production as the possibility of a counting error is there. As a CRO, I count shots too!


Thanks for the info. Good to know as the Mrs shoots a Glock.

#11 User is offline   jrguar 

  • Looks for Target
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 170
  • Joined: 26-February 02
  • Location:Newark, DE

Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:25 PM

I typically load mags after registering at the match and waiting for the general walkthrough. Plan to arrive at a match a little earlier and relax a bit while stuffing mags. Then after you sign your scoresheet after each stage make that your time to stuff mags for the next stage, then feel free to help score/tape targets/set steel....
Joe,

I know it only half past 12 but I don't care.....It's 5 o'clock somewhere...:)

#12 User is offline   Chris Keen 

  • Shooting Better Everyday!
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 7,665
  • Joined: 04-July 04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dayton, Ohio

Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:28 PM

View Postjrguar, on Apr 11 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

I typically load mags after registering at the match and waiting for the general walkthrough. Plan to arrive at a match a little earlier and relax a bit while stuffing mags. Then after you sign your scoresheet after each stage make that your time to stuff mags for the next stage, then feel free to help score/tape targets/set steel....


+1
Chris Keen
A-46956
Rudy Project Shooting Team
My You Tube Videos


"Nothing will work unless you do."

"Work hard to get good, then work hard to get better."

There is no giant step that makes you a winner. It's a lot of little steps.

#13 User is offline   badchad 

  • Calls Shots
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 570
  • Joined: 12-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Phoenix

Posted 11 April 2009 - 02:17 PM

View PostSoonerPast, on Apr 10 2009, 05:17 AM, said:

Magazine spring life, it has been said by many, many, is a function of the number of compression/release cycles. Not a matter of how long the spring remains compressed or released.

I'm pretty sure that isn't true. My carry gun mags that I keep loaded go soft a lot faster than my match magazines that I load only when I'm at the range. Also I used to shoot airguns and there was a test of what happens if you left your spring piston gun cocked for a long time. The results were the longer the gun was cocked, the weaker the spring got.

#14 User is offline   h2osport 

  • One Shot...more than a case lube!
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 527
  • Joined: 06-August 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Missoula, MT 59801

Posted 11 April 2009 - 03:37 PM

View PostChris Keen, on Apr 11 2009, 02:28 PM, said:

View Postjrguar, on Apr 11 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

I typically load mags after registering at the match and waiting for the general walkthrough. Plan to arrive at a match a little earlier and relax a bit while stuffing mags. Then after you sign your scoresheet after each stage make that your time to stuff mags for the next stage, then feel free to help score/tape targets/set steel....


+1


+2 you are going to be reloading the mags several times throughout the day, so why the hurry to load them the night before. I usually get to the range with enough extra time to sign in, gear up and load mags. Probably about 10 minutes before shooters meeting :rolleyes:

Randy

#15 User is offline   Joe4d 

  • Elite Operator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 2,213
  • Joined: 23-November 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Surry VA

Posted 11 April 2009 - 03:55 PM

I dont reload at a match, I load the night before. My mags are color coded and hold either 19, 20 or 22. I dont care about spring life. Springs are cheap I change them every spring. I shoot a stage and my used mags go in a pouch on the side of my mag. My new mags come from a mag bag inside my bag. I have pretty much eliminated human error of having less than full or mags that wont reload on my belt. I also shoot over alot of sand so dont reuse mags that have hit the dirt.

#16 User is offline   h2osport 

  • One Shot...more than a case lube!
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 527
  • Joined: 06-August 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Missoula, MT 59801

Posted 11 April 2009 - 04:17 PM

View PostJoe4d, on Apr 11 2009, 04:55 PM, said:

I dont reload at a match, I load the night before. My mags are color coded and hold either 19, 20 or 22. I dont care about spring life. Springs are cheap I change them every spring. I shoot a stage and my used mags go in a pouch on the side of my mag. My new mags come from a mag bag inside my bag. I have pretty much eliminated human error of having less than full or mags that wont reload on my belt. I also shoot over alot of sand so dont reuse mags that have hit the dirt.


That is too many mags for me to keep track of. At our next match we have 6 stages. 2-20rd stages, 3-24rd stages, and 1-6rd stage. That would mean I would need 9-10 mags loaded to shoot the match. Shooting single stack I would need more like 17-18 mags. I would rather take 2 boxes of ammo and 6 ss mags.

Randy

#17 User is offline   PINMAN44 

  • "my girl keeps me in line"
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 897
  • Joined: 09-January 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MD

Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:55 PM

Pops I usually load a few mags the night before.

#18 User is offline   Seth 

  • Beyond it All
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 1,601
  • Joined: 14-September 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chesterfield, VA

Posted 11 April 2009 - 06:26 PM

I load em after registration and top them off and stow them in my shooting bag after every stage. I learned that from G-man Bart and it not only makes the belt more comfortable, they're always topped off and I have to handle them before hitting the line.
Specialization is for Insects -- R.A.H.

#19 User is offline   Sarge 

  • aka: Sandman
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 1,836
  • Joined: 25-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:West Chester(cincy), Ohio

Posted 11 April 2009 - 06:35 PM

View PostBigpops, on Apr 10 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

View Postrupie, on Apr 10 2009, 08:12 AM, said:

check your state laws, in Iowa if you have loaded magazines you better have a concealed carry permit.


Even if they are seperated from the gun?

Thanks for the info.

In Ohio I am pretty sure a loaded magazine that fits a gun in the same car constitues a loaded gun if it is the same compartment of the vehicle. We were preached at to keep the magazine out of reach if its loaded. That is if I remember my CCW class correctly.
Kevin Sanders
US Army 1SG Retired
1979-2000
19Z50

TY-64885
RO June 2009

#20 User is offline   SA Friday 

  • Brass balls...well, a picture of them, anyway.
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 2,564
  • Joined: 18-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Back in CO, WooHoo!

Posted 11 April 2009 - 06:57 PM

OK, all you MDers need to stop traveling with loaded mags and the gun in the vehicle. It constitutes a loaded gun in the eyes of this Socialist state. Bad ju-ju, don't do it. Doesn't matter if the gun is bagged, in a separate bag, or whatever. Loaded mag and gun in same vehicle = loaded gun.

Got this from Rob B, and he was Baltimore PD for a few years.
Dry Firing and Practicing Sucks. Embrace the Suck.

#21 User is offline   Canuck223 

  • Sees Sights
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 276
  • Joined: 15-February 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ontario

Posted 13 April 2009 - 12:31 PM

My mags are always loaded. Only time I leave them unloaded is if they need to be taken apart for cleaning.

#22 User is offline   slip knot 

  • Finally read the FAQs
  • PipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 102
  • Joined: 10-December 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Doylestown, Pa.

Posted 13 April 2009 - 02:00 PM

I always put 10 rounds in my mag as soon as I get to the range,
then top them off after I see the stage that I am going to shoot.
I've been told, that you can miss fast enough to win...

#23 User is offline   MemphisMechanic 

  • Calls Shots
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 746
  • Joined: 13-June 07
  • Location:Memphis, TN

Posted 13 April 2009 - 03:32 PM

I used to carry more than a dozen mags, and not need to load more than once for virtually any match.

Then I started returning home with mags missing. Even marked and numbered, you sometimes miss one.

So I started carrying seven mags. In production, I usually have one in the gun, and five on my belt. I have one spare in my range bag, that lives in a specific pocket. Now if I leave a mag behind, I come up one short when it's time to LAMR.

So I only have to do a mag inventory at the end of each match. :)
The truth is that there is no choice between the two. You line the sights up in the A-zone and let it fly at the absolute soonest moment that you see what your experience tells you will put the hole where you're aiming it using the amount of trigger control you need to keep the gun lined up in that spot. There is no concern about accuracy or speed - either one is an illusion from behind the gun. There's "where do I want to hit" and "is the gun lined up there or not"... followed up with "did the sights lift from where I wanted to hit". To assign an "either/or" to the equation is to deny the fact that the gun can be shot ridiculously fast while shooting all As - but it won't be done while you're determined that one must be sacrificed for the other - and it also has the amusing side effect of pressuring the shooter to ignore "the shooting" in the name of "the speed" - XRe

#24 User is offline   boo radley 

  • Beyond it All
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 1,104
  • Joined: 23-March 05
  • Location:Cary, North Carolina

Posted 13 April 2009 - 04:31 PM

No idea/opinion on the legal issue, but I like to arrive at the match with the magazines already loaded. That way if there's traffic, or an unexpected line at sign-in or...whatever, it's one less thing to worry about, and more time to check out the stages.

#25 User is offline   boz1911 

  • GM in probation division...
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Classified
  • Posts: 3,368
  • Joined: 07-January 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Peachtree City, Georgia

Posted 13 April 2009 - 04:54 PM

View Postbadchad, on Apr 11 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

View PostSoonerPast, on Apr 10 2009, 05:17 AM, said:

Magazine spring life, it has been said by many, many, is a function of the number of compression/release cycles. Not a matter of how long the spring remains compressed or released.

I'm pretty sure that isn't true. My carry gun mags that I keep loaded go soft a lot faster than my match magazines that I load only when I'm at the range. Also I used to shoot airguns and there was a test of what happens if you left your spring piston gun cocked for a long time. The results were the longer the gun was cocked, the weaker the spring got.


That's been my experience also. I used to load first thing in the morning before a match that evening. In my opinion the springs went bad much sooner than when I started loading at the match. Yes springs are cheap but when they fail at a major match you're screwed.
TY54309 Team Swiss Cake Rolls
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBoz1911 - comments welcome


  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users