[philproulx]

hi
i just started to shoot lead bullets in practice cause of the cost of FMJ and CMJ

i use hodgdon Longshot
5.8 gr on a 180 gr
at 1.145 OAL
wsp

STI edge
with a bar-sto barrel

i got good results since that cast lead come from wheel weight


i got bad results out of IMR 7625--

now i'm switching to medium-fast burning powders
gonna try UNIVERSAL and TITEGROUP


i what to check some other interesting load
with other powder

[bulm540]

They will call you diesel if you use titegroup with lead. You will have a lot of smoke. Try WST. It will still smoke but lesser than titiegroup.

[big_kahuna]

Here's what I use:
170 precision
4.9 WST
OAL 1.170

Approach with caution, YMMV and all the normal disclaimers apply.

[Jman]

I prefer Unique over any powder when loading bare lead. My gun makes major with 5 grains under a 180gr bullet.

Jim

[ChrisStock]

Check this thread for quite a bit of tested data using WSF and WST powder behind lead.

[Resjudicata]

I have some loads with WST and IMR PB for 180gr lead bullets from a 5" STI that I will be testing this weekend. I'll post the results.

Chris

[P.Pres]

155 Precision

6.0 WST or

5.6 Titegroup ...... choo choooooo!!!

[harald]

Lee Bullet Mold 401-175-TC & 4.0gr vv 310

Gives me a PF of 174 in my 5" Edge

[scribble]

S&s Casting LSWC 175gr

Universal glays 4.4gr 1.119 for a glock made 172

[Nemo]

Black Bullets 180gr FP
Ramshot Competition 4.7 gr
1.185" OAL

[ForrestB]

200 gr. truncated cone
3.9 gr. N320
1.185 OAL
Win. Primers
Mixed Brass
170 PF
Dawson Patriot

[Resjudicata]

Okay, here are the 4 loads that I tested from my STI Edge with a 5" barrel. All 4 of these use a 180 gr. (actual weight is 185 gr.) Midstates lead truncated cone bullet.

4.8 gr. IMR PB loaded to 1.175" OAL
962
919
956
912
953
956

5.3 gr. IMR PB loaded to 1.175" OAL
981
975
963
987
974
988

4.2 gr. WST loaded to 1.175" OAL
871
886
886
877
874
870

4.5 gr. WST loaded to 1.175" OAL
900
930
901
928
907
915

With the 185 gr. bullet weight the IMR easily made major with a bit of smoke but not bad for outdoor shooting. It had a snappy recoil impulse but the sights still returned well.

The WST had a harder time making major. The 4.5 gr. load made it barely but with very little smoke. The recoil impulse wasn't as snappy as the IMR PB and the sights returned well.

These numbers are out of a slightly slow barrel. I chrono'd my E3 loads from this barrel and they ran about 30 fps slower than in my old STI barrel.

BTW, it takes 917 fps to make 165 pf with a 180 gr bullet and 892 to make 165 pf with a 185 gr bullet.

Conditions were mostly sunny and 45 degrees with a slight wind.

Chris

This post has been edited by Resjudicata: 18 January 2009 - 08:08 AM

[johnnybravo]

Out of my 5" Edge:

Lyman 401638 mold (truncated cone style) 175 gr sized to .401
5.3 gr Unique
Mixed brand brass
Winchester primer
OAL 1.127"
172 power factor
Straight wheel weight lead, any brand lube.

[pstew]

I have been shooting AA7 data powder behind my own cast 175 TC boolits.

I posted some load data


http://www.brianenos...?...c=64727&hl=

This post has been edited by pstew: 20 January 2009 - 08:41 PM

[Darrell]

180 LRN 3.5 T.G. @1.135

[scribble]

scribble, on Jan 15 2009, 02:55 PM, said:

S&s Casting LSWC 175gr

Universal glays 4.4gr 1.119 for a glock made 172

I am also using s&s 220gr Lead with 3.0 clays in my SVI

[Rocket35]

I was using 200gr Black Bullets Int. with 3.3gr of E3. But now I am gonna try out some S&S 220gr with 3.1gr of E3. Also gonna test some S&S 180gr with E3.

[STIshooter]

I've been using 4.2gr of VV N310 under a 180gr moly coated bullet loaded at 1.2" OAL for several years. This is a VERY soft shooting load that is very consistent in my 5" STI Edge. NOTE: Do NOT use this load with 1.135" OAL!!!...the pressure will be much higher!

Unfortunately, I'm out of N310 and need to find something less expensive! Tite-Group is much cheaper, but I'm not excited about the prospect of running a smokestack...

I've also got Unique, SR7625, Bullseye, Ramshot Silhouette, W231, & PowerPistol all setting on the shelf.

If you have a favorite load with one of these powders, let me know.

[UltraTen]

JimmyM, on Jan 14 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

I prefer Unique over any powder when loading bare lead. My gun makes major with 5 grains under a 180gr bullet.

Jim

+1
My gun makes major with 4.8 and alot less smoke.

[fpgb1]

I'm shooting 180 Black Bullet with 4.5 Solo 1000 out of a 5 inch gun and it makes 170pf I haven't noticed any smoke and it feels very nice, better than anything I've loaded.

[jasmap]

200 grain bullet
4.3grns N320 powder
WSP primers
1.190 OAL

SOFT!

[pstew]

Here's some WST load data I posted a while back. 176 gr lead out of a 4' S&W M&P





aa7 data & WST

[Ray_Z]

My cast Lyman 175gr TC (ends up 180gr)
4.7gr Solo 1000
Win SP primer
1.120 OAL
170 PF when shot in my Edge

[Justsomeguy]

STIshooter, on Jan 23 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

I've been using 4.2gr of VV N310 under a 180gr moly coated bullet loaded at 1.2" OAL for several years. This is a VERY soft shooting load that is very consistent in my 5" STI Edge. NOTE: Do NOT use this load with 1.135" OAL!!!...the pressure will be much higher!

Unfortunately, I'm out of N310 and need to find something less expensive! Tite-Group is much cheaper, but I'm not excited about the prospect of running a smokestack...

I've also got Unique, SR7625, Bullseye, Ramshot Silhouette, W231, & PowerPistol all setting on the shelf.

If you have a favorite load with one of these powders, let me know.

I have been playing around with Silhouette which is supposed to duplicate the old WAP. I don't know about that, but it has been very good so far. With a 180grn S&S LFN in a 5" XD Tactial I tested it over the chrono. 20rnds, 90 degree day, 5.8grns Silhouette, OAL 1.135 (This was an XD after all... it liked this length), Average speed was 989 for a power factor of 178. SD was 10.7. Shot into 2" at 15 yards over the chrono. In that gun I could back off about .1grn I guess. Same gun, same day with a Berry 180HP... Average speed was 950.5 for a PF of 171.1. Again nice accuracy. The gun felt good with this load, tracked nicely, and was not dirty with either bullet. I got a little smoke with the S&S 180, but I think it's the lube he uses. Not diesel like, but some smoke.

I tried Silhouette a few weeks before that in an XDm40 and the lead S&S 180 when it was only 75 degrees outside and with 5.7grns (.1grn lighter) got 169PF so I don't think Silhouette is "temperature sensitive" in that those readings from a gun with 1/2 shorter barrel and .1 less powder seem about right, although my notes show that my OAL that day was 1.130 instead of 1.135.

I am really liking the Silhouette so far. The gun runs cool and feels great... to me at least, though I am no Master or anything.

As to Unique... In the XDm a few weeks earlier with a 73 degree day, 20rnds again (I always shoot 20 over the chrono) OAL 1.130, 5.4grn Unique, S&S 180, Average speed 980.3, PF 176.5, SD 11.0. Notes say it was smokey... My memory says quite a bit more than the Silhouette load above. However, ran cool, clean, and was accurate in that it stayed well within a 3" circle I use as a target over the chrono at 15 yards. The chorograph is always at 10 feet though in case you are wondering. Again, probably could back off .1grn and still be with a cushion for PF, but I was just testing the lead bullet with some different powders on these occasions and had to start somewhere.

These loads are a result of having just acquired some S&S lead bullets and trying them out for the first time in some of my guns with the powders I had. I also tried some Longshot, 7.0grn which gave a quite brisk 1062fps in the XDm for PF of 191.2. It did not lead the barrel and was, again, nicely accurate out of that gun. Although the PF was about 20 points higher than would be necessary for USPSA, Longshot is a nice powder in that it did not feel that much heavier and there were no pressure signs whatever at that loading... and indeed the book says you can go up to 8.0grns if you so desire with a 180grn bullet but not below 6.5.

This post has been edited by Justsomeguy: 02 August 2009 - 04:08 AM

[GrumpyOne]

I use Space Coast 180grn trn cn bullets, over Alliant Power Pistol powder, 6.7 grains, some smoke (not much) but it is a very clean powder. OAL of 1.135