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Just curious, for all that know more about the scattergun sports -
What does it take to get to the olympics in skeet? Yes, I know, be a kick butt shotgun shooter. I ain't! But did have a curious thought about the path one takes to get there.
I know in golf anyone can qualify for the U.S. Open through various competitions and playing well. Just wondering if Skeet and the Olympics is similar.
Thanks!
J
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:09 PM
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:13 PM
j1b, on Oct 19 2008, 09:09 PM, said:
Just curious, for all that know more about the scattergun sports -
What does it take to get to the olympics in skeet? Yes, I know, be a kick butt shotgun shooter. I ain't! But did have a curious thought about the path one takes to get there.
I know in golf anyone can qualify for the U.S. Open through various competitions and playing well. Just wondering if Skeet and the Olympics is similar.
Thanks!
J
What does it take to get to the olympics in skeet? Yes, I know, be a kick butt shotgun shooter. I ain't! But did have a curious thought about the path one takes to get there.
I know in golf anyone can qualify for the U.S. Open through various competitions and playing well. Just wondering if Skeet and the Olympics is similar.
Thanks!
J
Yes, contact USA Shooting, and they can fill you in on the details.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:34 PM
Yep, contact those folks, they will reply .
Actually, you start by having a whole lot of money for shells and matches and instruction and travel and then after you are a top notch shooter at a national level USA shooting may take an interest.
If you are young make sure that your parents have a lot of money to spend on guns, instruction, ammo, travel, and matches.
Actually, you start by having a whole lot of money for shells and matches and instruction and travel and then after you are a top notch shooter at a national level USA shooting may take an interest.
If you are young make sure that your parents have a lot of money to spend on guns, instruction, ammo, travel, and matches.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:42 PM
Viggen, on Oct 19 2008, 06:34 PM, said:
Yep, contact those folks, they will reply .
Actually, you start by having a whole lot of money for shells and matches and instruction and travel and then after you are a top notch shooter at a national level USA shooting may take an interest.
If you are young make sure that your parents have a lot of money to spend on guns, instruction, ammo, travel, and matches.
Actually, you start by having a whole lot of money for shells and matches and instruction and travel and then after you are a top notch shooter at a national level USA shooting may take an interest.
If you are young make sure that your parents have a lot of money to spend on guns, instruction, ammo, travel, and matches.
Thx to both of you. I'm not looking to take a gamble at this gig. I'm past my prime, I don't have time, and I make more money than my parents ever did
I do have a little history in this IPSC game and saw some success back in the day. An olympic gold medal always seemed like a dream too distant to think of back then. Nowadays I wish I'd picked up an over and under and tried my luck.
I may pick one up anyhow, just for shits and giggles, and see how the ball rolls.
J
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"If a picture is worth a thousand words, than an experience is worth a thousand pictures" Unknown
"The goal is not to be the best of the best, but to do what only you can do" Jerry Garcia
"If a picture is worth a thousand words, than an experience is worth a thousand pictures" Unknown
"The goal is not to be the best of the best, but to do what only you can do" Jerry Garcia
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 09:03 PM
"I may pick one up anyhow, just for shits and giggles, and see how the ball rolls."
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 10:27 PM
J,
I grew up shooting Trap pretty heavily. By the time I was in high school I was showing some pretty good results and was invited a couple of summers to Colorado Springs for some development classes. Long story short other stuff interfered and I made some hardheaded teenage decisions and the big boy shooting never materialized..
The interesting thing is that to get to that level really isn't about the skills, EVERYONE there has the skills. What gets worked on in infinitum is mindset and psychological control.
Good luck, skeet and trap are incredible endeavors for your mind and finding your best performance time and again.
I grew up shooting Trap pretty heavily. By the time I was in high school I was showing some pretty good results and was invited a couple of summers to Colorado Springs for some development classes. Long story short other stuff interfered and I made some hardheaded teenage decisions and the big boy shooting never materialized..
The interesting thing is that to get to that level really isn't about the skills, EVERYONE there has the skills. What gets worked on in infinitum is mindset and psychological control.
Good luck, skeet and trap are incredible endeavors for your mind and finding your best performance time and again.
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Considering the amount of fancy equipment now seen in competition, some readers have complained loudly that the 'average guy' does not have a chance. It might be pointed out that this average guy never has had a chance. Competition is held to determine what is best, not what is average. And if all the equipment were standardized, the man who won would still not be in any sense average.
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A friend of mine told me "Your work has really made you cynical" my reply was "Cynical.....I passed cynical five years ago....I now live in reality"
Considering the amount of fancy equipment now seen in competition, some readers have complained loudly that the 'average guy' does not have a chance. It might be pointed out that this average guy never has had a chance. Competition is held to determine what is best, not what is average. And if all the equipment were standardized, the man who won would still not be in any sense average.
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Posted 05 November 2008 - 09:06 PM
J, one big obstacle is somewhere to practice. Olympic skeet and trap are different games than American skeet or trap. There are no Olympic trap fields in Arkansas except for one private range, don't know about skeet. On your other thread you said something about participation. The AR state Trap shoot was held in June at the Lonoke club next door to the Remington plant and had great attendence, I'll try to look back and see how many. It's a lot slower in the winter.
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Posted 09 November 2008 - 07:11 PM
Ross's comment on places to shoot Olympic Trap and Skeet being limited match my experience. For fun I'd like to shoot Olympic Trap but am aware of only one bunker available in the state. Olympic trap looks to me to be a real challenge when compared to US version.
http://www.deadtarge...eretoshoot.html Places to shoot Olympic Trap and Skeet...
http://www.deadtarge...eretoshoot.html Places to shoot Olympic Trap and Skeet...
Work your fingers to the bone - whadda ya get?
--------- boney fingers - boney fingers...
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But somebody told you that it wouldn't be easy
And you carried that lie for the devil to sing...
Hoyt Axton
--------- boney fingers - boney fingers...
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But somebody told you that it wouldn't be easy
And you carried that lie for the devil to sing...
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Posted 14 November 2008 - 12:01 AM
Work your fingers to the bone - whadda ya get?
--------- boney fingers - boney fingers...
Hoyt Axton
But somebody told you that it wouldn't be easy
And you carried that lie for the devil to sing...
Hoyt Axton
--------- boney fingers - boney fingers...
Hoyt Axton
But somebody told you that it wouldn't be easy
And you carried that lie for the devil to sing...
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Posted 14 November 2008 - 07:18 AM
Tangram, on Nov 9 2008, 08:11 PM, said:
Ross's comment on places to shoot Olympic Trap and Skeet being limited match my experience. For fun I'd like to shoot Olympic Trap but am aware of only one bunker available in the state. Olympic trap looks to me to be a real challenge when compared to US version.
http://www.deadtarge...eretoshoot.html Places to shoot Olympic Trap and Skeet...
http://www.deadtarge...eretoshoot.html Places to shoot Olympic Trap and Skeet...
I know personally the young man who won the Gold in Bunker trap...Butch Eller...he is a super nice young man, but did grow up with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth...his dad is a partner in what then was one of the Big 8 Accounting firms, lots of $$ and when he saw that his kid had the talent, he built him a real bunker trap layout to Olympic specs on their property, hired an internationally known coach to guide him and then it took him two failed attempts in two Olympics before he joined the AMU and got the real training he needed and the international competition needed to finally win it...takes money, time, competition and proper coaching...
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 05:26 AM
You can convert just about any American skeet field to "Olympic" style, with the addition of a timer.
That's easy!
Trap(Bunker) is difficult because of the lack of fields. I doubt you could set one up for less than $50,000 and probably much higher. Fields are being added sporadically around the country but there is no organised civilian structure to promote increased numbers, except what's done by select, committed individuals.
You have to shoot "qualifying" scores at Zone shoots to reach the Nationals. Then, in most years, you shoot multiple national shoots to make a team. Your country needs to place in World Cup matches to earn shooting slots in the Olympics, meaning you have to prove the shooter/country can shoot. In the old days, every country could send their best 2, or anyone they wanted, to shoot...and some couldn't shoot. The Olympic "boys" have slimmed down shooting, both participants and amount of targets shot!
I'd be amazed if Double Trap, for example, is still being shot in 10 years.
Like most Olympic sports, you pretty much are a professional, so if your not able to spend most of your time shooting at Colorado Springs or in the AMU unit, it would be difficult...not impossible...just difficult.
IMO, you need to be very talented "mentally" to be successful...physically helps too! All the time, money, targets and coaching won't produce a Gold Medal if the shooter isn't "shooter mental".
And, as a sidenote: Thank goodness for the Lady shooters who have produced over half of the Olympic shotgun medals( I believe) in the 21st century. Pretty slim without them.
That's easy!
Trap(Bunker) is difficult because of the lack of fields. I doubt you could set one up for less than $50,000 and probably much higher. Fields are being added sporadically around the country but there is no organised civilian structure to promote increased numbers, except what's done by select, committed individuals.
You have to shoot "qualifying" scores at Zone shoots to reach the Nationals. Then, in most years, you shoot multiple national shoots to make a team. Your country needs to place in World Cup matches to earn shooting slots in the Olympics, meaning you have to prove the shooter/country can shoot. In the old days, every country could send their best 2, or anyone they wanted, to shoot...and some couldn't shoot. The Olympic "boys" have slimmed down shooting, both participants and amount of targets shot!
I'd be amazed if Double Trap, for example, is still being shot in 10 years.
Like most Olympic sports, you pretty much are a professional, so if your not able to spend most of your time shooting at Colorado Springs or in the AMU unit, it would be difficult...not impossible...just difficult.
IMO, you need to be very talented "mentally" to be successful...physically helps too! All the time, money, targets and coaching won't produce a Gold Medal if the shooter isn't "shooter mental".
And, as a sidenote: Thank goodness for the Lady shooters who have produced over half of the Olympic shotgun medals( I believe) in the 21st century. Pretty slim without them.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 12:16 PM
Hey Jack,
Just because its a neat topic; heres a link to an article in Front Porch magazine about Arkansas kids trying to shoot in the Olympics.
http://www.arfb.com/...v/shooting.aspx
You know trapshooting is a growing high school sport here.
Sporting clays, is much bigger in AR, if you ever want to shoot a round, drop me a line.
We have a great shotgun club here in Ft Smith.
Just because its a neat topic; heres a link to an article in Front Porch magazine about Arkansas kids trying to shoot in the Olympics.
http://www.arfb.com/...v/shooting.aspx
You know trapshooting is a growing high school sport here.
Sporting clays, is much bigger in AR, if you ever want to shoot a round, drop me a line.
We have a great shotgun club here in Ft Smith.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 09:43 PM
Irishlad, on Nov 22 2008, 05:26 AM, said:
You can convert just about any American skeet field to "Olympic" style, with the addition of a timer.
That's easy!
That's easy!
I think that International skeet has the houses about 10 feet farther apart and most throwers in this country wont throw clays at the speed required for international skeet, they are going about 25% faster.
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Posted 27 November 2008 - 05:23 AM
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I think that International skeet has the houses about 10 feet farther apart and most throwers in this country wont throw clays at the speed required for international skeet, they are going about 25% faster.
The field itself is the same for both, but you are correct in that the "distance marker", the distance the target travels, is 10 yards+ more for International. Regular skeet is 60 yards and International is a max of 73 yards.
The International "clay target" is lower, a bit wider and generally harder" so it flies through easier, which means farther, given equal spring tension. You do have to increase the "spring" on the machine and it has to accommodate the wider target. I believe most skeet machines can do that....even the "old" Winchester machines...just bring a "hammer".
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:58 PM
Part of the selection process is national competitions. We have a young lady in our community we are a minor sponsor for (our gun shop) who just made the US National team in International Skeet. What did it take-years of lessons from Matt Dryke (old time trap shooters will know who he is) and her Dad bought a PALLET or shells each month. She won US Junior nationals and is 3rd in the US overall. That's what it takes. 
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 06:55 PM
At todays prices the machines for a olympic bunker would be in the 150M range. I live about 50 miles from a club in Florida that has an Olympic Bunker. It is in Gainesville , FL. If you have never seen the game shot and are everanywhere near a club that has a bunker take the time to go watch and/or shoot it. There is so much difference between it an American Trap you can't fathom it until you try it.
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