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#1 steel1212

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 03:49 PM

I saw a guy at todays IDPA match with a much bigger than stock one he said he got from Dillon that they said was IDPA legal.
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Posted 18 October 2008 - 04:10 PM

People say a lot of things. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

The RULES say
"EXCLUDED Modifications
2. Oversize cylinder latches."


I see nothing on Dillon's site about its applicability to IDPA.

I will leave it to you to judge his accuracy and motivation.

Edited by Jim Watson, 18 October 2008 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2008 - 04:11 PM

Not true. I don't think anything larger than stock is legal. And if it can't legally be larger than stock why bother. But, I take the rule book at face value, so what do I know.

5. Enhanced Service Revolver Division (ESR)
(...)
EXCLUDED Modifications (NON-Inclusive list):
1. Oversize or heavy barrels.
2. Oversize cylinder latches.

6. Stock Service Revolver Division (SSR)
(...)
EXCLUDED Modifications (NON-Inclusive list):
1. Oversize or heavy barrels.
2. Oversize cylinder latches.


ETA: I was typing while Jim was posting.

Edited by Steve J, 18 October 2008 - 04:13 PM.

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 08:10 PM

Dillon sells the big Hogue Competition latch, the California Competition latch and the SDM latches. Only the SDM latches will pass as IDPA legal. The SDM latch has aggressive checkering so it's a little easier to get a good bite on it when going for the latch.

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 08:36 PM

Dillon sells the big Hogue Competition latch, the California Competition latch and the SDM latches. Only the SDM latches will pass as IDPA legal. The SDM latch has aggressive checkering so it's a little easier to get a good bite on it when going for the latch.


Yeah, the one he had the latch was perpendicular to the frame instead of more parallel like stock. It wasn't a hogue though.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 12:01 AM

I wonder why IDPA has that rule? Most of the oversize cylinder latches would conceal perfectly well--maybe all of them, for that matter. Hmmm......
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 03:15 AM

I've tried a few different thumb pieces and none of them offered any advantage over the NEW style factory part. I'm talking about the one that's slanted. The older factory thumb piece with the dished out area isn't as fast as the new slanted one in my opinion. All my Revos have the factory part installed.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 07:57 AM

I've tried a few different thumb pieces and none of them offered any advantage over the NEW style factory part.


That may be absolutely true for you, but cylinder latches are a lot like grips--people have different preferences. I strongly preferred the Ed Brown latch for years, then earlier this year switched to the Hogue release. In my hands, the extended thumb latch offers a significant advantage. On the other hand, my son prefers the old-style stock S&W release, and doesn't like the feel of any of the extended aftermarket releases.

There is no reason for any of the extended thumb latches to be illegal. They are practical, concealable, and readily available at a fairly modest price. Am I wrong about that?
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:04 AM

I've tried a few different thumb pieces and none of them offered any advantage over the NEW style factory part.


That may be absolutely true for you, but cylinder latches are a lot like grips--people have different preferences. I strongly preferred the Ed Brown latch for years, then earlier this year switched to the Hogue release. In my hands, the extended thumb latch offers a significant advantage. On the other hand, my son prefers the old-style stock S&W release, and doesn't like the feel of any of the extended aftermarket releases.

There is no reason for any of the extended thumb latches to be illegal. They are practical, concealable, and readily available at a fairly modest price. Am I wrong about that?

Mike, there are a lot of things that can be concealed easily that are not IDPA legal. We don't make sense of the rules....just gotta play by them :cheers:
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 04:47 PM

I have the SDM release, similar to the new factory and I find that the checkering is too aggressive, so I'm going to reinstall the original.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 11:21 AM

I use the “new” style factory ones on my IDPA revos. I’ll have to agree with Carmoney, if you’re trying to conceal a 625, no latch I’ve seen would make a difference. Kind of like taking the mirrors off a Mack truck to make it more aerodynamic.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 09:12 PM

Best way to enjoy revolver shooting Corey is to not shoot IDPA. :roflol:
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Posted 22 October 2008 - 03:40 PM

Best way to enjoy revolver shooting Corey is to not shoot IDPA. :roflol:
Too many rules makes Jack a dull boy. :cheers:


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Posted 22 October 2008 - 09:38 PM

Best way to enjoy revolver shooting Corey is to not shoot IDPA. :roflol:
Too many rules makes Jack a dull boy. :cheers:


LOL, na it stimulates the mind when you have to thank that much. Hell my single stack are all IDPA legal and I don't have any problems with them in USPSA lol. Granted some of the IDPA crowd thinks they are very Illegal until mine fits the box better than their's :roflol:
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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:06 PM

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HMMMMM! IDPA I'd rather watch grass grow. :roflol:

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 02:12 AM

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HMMMMM! IDPA I'd rather watch grass grow. :roflol:

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With that attitude, we'd rather have you watch grass grow. :roflol: :cheers:
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:04 AM

For what it's worth, the SSR Division Champions at the last three S&W WinterChampionships/Indoor Nationals, Carolina Cups and Outdoor Nationals used stock new style cylinder latches.

Regarding the rules - every game has it's own set, not all of which fit everyone. To turn Mike Carmoney's phrase, "That may be absolutely true for you but revolver shooting games are lot like grips - people have different preferences". Let's all be adults and pick the ones that best suit our needs and leave others to enjoy thiers.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 06:51 AM

No offence to IDPA Craig. Corey is a shooting buddy from Kentucky, and if I didn't make fun of him, he would think that I was sick. I agree, I think all shooting sports should be supported by shooting Sports people, to continue growth within the sport.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 07:42 AM

For what it's worth, the SSR Division Champions at the last three S&W WinterChampionships/Indoor Nationals, Carolina Cups and Outdoor Nationals used stock new style cylinder latches.

Regarding the rules - every game has it's own set, not all of which fit everyone. To turn Mike Carmoney's phrase, "That may be absolutely true for you but revolver shooting games are lot like grips - people have different preferences". Let's all be adults and pick the ones that best suit our needs and leave others to enjoy thiers.

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Nicely put, Craig, I have to admit. You've become so diplomatic ever since you turned pro! :D
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 08:31 AM

No offence to IDPA Craig. Corey is a shooting buddy from Kentucky, and if I didn't make fun of him, he would think that I was sick. I agree, I think all shooting sports should be supported by shooting Sports people, to continue growth within the sport.

Mark :cheers:


Oh I think your sick alright :roflol:
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 08:47 PM

:rolleyes:
I dont have anything against IDPA , I shoot it now and then. Just like to
push the buttons just for giggles and stuff.
I meant no offense, I think. :rolleyes:
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 09:28 PM

I've shot SSR in IDPA and liked it much better than revo in USPSA. I, like some, found the rules a bit odd at first. I think if you shot it enough you'd get use to them.

BTW, I used a new style release from SDM on my Model 19.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 10:26 PM

Please...everyone...the IDPA vs. talk is against the forum rules. Come on folks. Leave it at the door.

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 02:02 PM

i have an idpa revo question. if i decide to reload without firing all shots in the cylinder, what do i have to do with the partialy loaded moon clip?? i know i cant drop it on the ground cus thats littering, but where can i put it by the idpa rules?? can i put it in my empty moon dump pouch on the left side of my belt without penalty???
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Edited by scottyinAZ, 25 October 2008 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2008 - 02:09 PM

i have an idpa revo question. if i decide to reload without firing all shots in the cylinder, what do i have to do with the partialy loaded moon clip?? i know i cant drop it on the ground cus thats littering, but where can i put it by the idpa rules?? can i put it in my empty moon dump pouch on the left side of my belt without penalty???
thanks
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Place the partially loaded moonclip in your pocket - pants or vest.

You won't be wearing a dump pouch. Dump the empty 'clip on the ground - you can pick it up after you have shot the stage, the same as picking up mags.

Jim:

I think that you may have got me there. :roflol: :cheers:

Don't worry Flex. All is good.
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