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Incorporation of range and 501(c)(7) status Limiting individual liability
#1
Posted 29 October 2007 - 07:12 PM
Surely the BEnoverse has some answers...
It's a heady subject with a lot of thorns, but is tax exempt status for a shooting club that owns the range property necessary?
Thanks in advance.
It's a heady subject with a lot of thorns, but is tax exempt status for a shooting club that owns the range property necessary?
Thanks in advance.
Jeremy Jester
"The first need is to free ourselves from that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall grow no wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish."
-Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
"The first need is to free ourselves from that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall grow no wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish."
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#2
Posted 29 October 2007 - 07:33 PM
I voted no on the non profit status for one reason. All of the clubs in Colorado would not qualify because they discount fees to members vs nonmembers.
If you own the range you will have a much larger investment and may be able to require membership and all that comes with it, but you will not be allowed to have nonmember use of your facilities and be able to legally maintain this status....
If you want tax links I'll post 'em
If you own the range you will have a much larger investment and may be able to require membership and all that comes with it, but you will not be allowed to have nonmember use of your facilities and be able to legally maintain this status....
If you want tax links I'll post 'em
Sir Twenty...Plenty Big Stick
#3
Posted 29 October 2007 - 07:52 PM
EZ Bagger, on Oct 29 2007, 09:33 PM, said:
I voted no on the non profit status for one reason. All of the clubs in Colorado would not qualify because they discount fees to members vs nonmembers.
If you own the range you will have a much larger investment and may be able to require membership and all that comes with it, but you will not be allowed to have nonmember use of your facilities and be able to legally maintain this status....
If you want tax links I'll post 'em
If you own the range you will have a much larger investment and may be able to require membership and all that comes with it, but you will not be allowed to have nonmember use of your facilities and be able to legally maintain this status....
If you want tax links I'll post 'em
Yep the members vs non members use provision is somewhat problematic. I would hate to not be able to hold USPSA matches (or other competitions) and exclude non member guests.
Jeremy Jester
"The first need is to free ourselves from that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall grow no wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish."
-Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
"The first need is to free ourselves from that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall grow no wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish."
-Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
#4
Posted 29 October 2007 - 08:08 PM
You don't have to give up yet. If you are in an area with large shooter numbers it still may be worth it, but you'll definitely need the services of a gag, gasp, cough, whisper...tax attorney or CPA that specializes in not for profits.
Sir Twenty...Plenty Big Stick
#5
Posted 29 October 2007 - 08:38 PM
We are lucky to have CPA's and an Attorney that graciously take care of the paper work. It is a little more headache to be incorporated, but is worth it IMO. Officers do not get paid for service (reimbursement excluded), and for a thankless job we offer 'free memberships' to help.
One possible workaround for non-members at matches is to include a section in your bylaws that states (paraphrased) non-members will be sold a one day member pass as part of the match fee... Of course double check this as law is NOT my line of profession. Another suggestion is to find a club and officer that has been around the block so to speak. There are plenty of options and pitfalls to avoid!
One possible workaround for non-members at matches is to include a section in your bylaws that states (paraphrased) non-members will be sold a one day member pass as part of the match fee... Of course double check this as law is NOT my line of profession. Another suggestion is to find a club and officer that has been around the block so to speak. There are plenty of options and pitfalls to avoid!
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#6
Posted 01 November 2007 - 10:14 PM
EZ Bagger, on Oct 29 2007, 08:33 PM, said:
I voted no on the non profit status for one reason. All of the clubs in Colorado would not qualify because they discount fees to members vs nonmembers.
If you own the range you will have a much larger investment and may be able to require membership and all that comes with it, but you will not be allowed to have nonmember use of your facilities and be able to legally maintain this status....
If you want tax links I'll post 'em
If you own the range you will have a much larger investment and may be able to require membership and all that comes with it, but you will not be allowed to have nonmember use of your facilities and be able to legally maintain this status....
If you want tax links I'll post 'em
Please post tax links. Am I understanding correctly that if you hold non profit status that you cannot discount fee's to members vs non members???? Am I also understanding correctly that if you hold that status, that you cannot allow non members to use facility as in visiting shooters to a USPSA club shoot.??? Need info on this.
Thanks,
Bob
#7
Posted 02 November 2007 - 07:25 AM
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Google 501c3 or 501c4 or 501c7 and you'll find many links. Also www.irs.gov has the proper publication if you search their site for tax exempt corporation.
Google 501c3 or 501c4 or 501c7 and you'll find many links. Also www.irs.gov has the proper publication if you search their site for tax exempt corporation.
Jeremy Jester
"The first need is to free ourselves from that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall grow no wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish."
-Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
"The first need is to free ourselves from that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall grow no wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish."
-Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
#9
Posted 09 November 2007 - 11:37 AM
OK, here are some links....
501©(3) "...foster national or international amateur sports
competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the
provision of athletic facilities or equipment)...."
501©(7) Clubs organized for pleasure, recreation, and other
nonprofitable purposes, substantially all of the activities of
which are for such purposes and no part of the net earnings of
which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder.
IRS Pub 557
Interesting discussion of Amateur Sports issues
Internal Revenue Code
Treasury Regs 507©(3)
Treasury Regs 501©(7)
501©(3) "...foster national or international amateur sports
competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the
provision of athletic facilities or equipment)...."
501©(7) Clubs organized for pleasure, recreation, and other
nonprofitable purposes, substantially all of the activities of
which are for such purposes and no part of the net earnings of
which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder.
IRS Pub 557
Interesting discussion of Amateur Sports issues
Internal Revenue Code
Treasury Regs 507©(3)
Treasury Regs 501©(7)
Sir Twenty...Plenty Big Stick
#10
Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:04 PM
Speaking as an attorney, it is easier to setup a for-profit company than a non-profit. To setup a non-profit, you have to deal with a boatload of IRS regs (and consistently comply with those regs year after year), whereas you don't with a for-profit.
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