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#1 David Sinko

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 07:15 AM

Does Speer still make the old 200 gr. JHP "Flying Ashtray?" Or has it been replaced by the Gold Dot? It's not listed on their website and their online question submission form isn't working for me. I see Dillon sells a 200 gr. JHP but I don't know if this is the same one or not.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 08:05 AM

I am pretty sure they stopped making that bullet years ago, not sure if it was replaced by the Gold dot? I found a shop with some old stock and bought 3 boxes (all they had) of them for future use.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 05:04 PM

The "Flying Ashtray" was intended to be replaced with a Gold Dot about 15 years ago. Several of us argued that it was popular, and they left it in the line until the equipment used to make it was retired maybe ten years ago. The 200gr Gold Dot replaced it then.

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 06:33 AM

Thanks for the responses. I have occasionally been finding this bullet for sale up until last year. The 200 gr. Gold Dot just does not have that wide a hollow point, which is what I want. I have seen a 200 gr. "revolver" Gold Dot Hollow Point listed for sale (I think from Midway) which they claim has a cannelure and I presume the wider, sharper nose profile common to the revolver Gold Dot bullets. But then this isn't listed on the Speer website either!

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:38 PM

Thanks for the responses. I have occasionally been finding this bullet for sale up until last year. The 200 gr. Gold Dot just does not have that wide a hollow point, which is what I want. I have seen a 200 gr. "revolver" Gold Dot Hollow Point listed for sale (I think from Midway) which they claim has a cannelure and I presume the wider, sharper nose profile common to the revolver Gold Dot bullets. But then this isn't listed on the Speer website either!

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I have a box of Speer 200 gr JHP's from about 20 years ago. What is the stock number of the "flying ashtray"? That's probably what these are.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 09:28 PM

Thanks for the responses. I have occasionally been finding this bullet for sale up until last year. The 200 gr. Gold Dot just does not have that wide a hollow point, which is what I want. I have seen a 200 gr. "revolver" Gold Dot Hollow Point listed for sale (I think from Midway) which they claim has a cannelure and I presume the wider, sharper nose profile common to the revolver Gold Dot bullets. But then this isn't listed on the Speer website either!

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I have a box of Speer 200 gr JHP's from about 20 years ago. What is the stock number of the "flying ashtray"? That's probably what these are.


It is easy to tell if it is a flying ashtray. Take a pencil with eraser, if the eraser fits in the hollow point it is a flying ashtray.
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Posted 17 October 2007 - 11:02 AM

Thanks for the responses. I have occasionally been finding this bullet for sale up until last year. The 200 gr. Gold Dot just does not have that wide a hollow point, which is what I want. I have seen a 200 gr. "revolver" Gold Dot Hollow Point listed for sale (I think from Midway) which they claim has a cannelure and I presume the wider, sharper nose profile common to the revolver Gold Dot bullets. But then this isn't listed on the Speer website either!

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I have a box of Speer 200 gr JHP's from about 20 years ago. What is the stock number of the "flying ashtray"? That's probably what these are.


It is easy to tell if it is a flying ashtray. Take a pencil with eraser, if the eraser fits in the hollow point it is a flying ashtray.


Well, the pencil eraser fits, so it must be the ashtrays. Speer number is 4477. I seem to have most of a box of them. Now I'll have to decide what to load them with and then what to do with the loaded rounds.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 11:09 AM

They work great for pumpkins after Halloween, pieces are usually too small to pick up.
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Posted 17 October 2007 - 05:46 PM

Having killed a few deer with Speer Gold Dot handloads, 240gr.44, 230gr.45ACP, I have to say they do a fine job !

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:48 AM

Well, the pencil eraser fits, so it must be the ashtrays. Speer number is 4477. I seem to have most of a box of them. Now I'll have to decide what to load them with and then what to do with the loaded rounds.


Yes 4477 is the Flying Ashtray. I had some factory ammo both CCI Lawman and Blazer. I am now down to my last box of projectiles. I load with 6.7grains of Clays Universal which gives me 940fps in a 5". Interestingly in a recent article in American Handgunner, they report this powder as having no muzzle flash. Just the thing for when things go bump in the night.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 07:41 AM

there are still a few boxes of cci blazer 200 grain hollow point bullets floating around, they were loaded with the rest of the "flying ashtray" bullets.

I have some of the bullets, loaded with 6.0 grains of 231, they make my glock 21 a bowling pin monster.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 08:32 AM

Loaded them for years with 8.0 gr. of unique for about 1200 fps. Killed well.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 05:00 PM

Loaded them for years with 8.0 gr. of unique for about 1200 fps. Killed well.



Are we talking about a .45 ACP @ 1200 FPS here? Sounds pretty stout!

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 05:39 PM

Loaded them for years with 8.0 gr. of unique for about 1200 fps. Killed well.



Are we talking about a .45 ACP @ 1200 FPS here? Sounds pretty stout!



.45 SUPER can do it.

I've loaded up .45SUPER for deer season with a 5" S&W 625.

here's some load data:

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