[buckshot]

any suggestions on barrels to use when building a rifle. I have heard of Shilen,Clark, Volquartsen and Douglas. Does anyone have experience with the carbon fiber barrels out there. Fluted, stainless, chrome moly, .920 or smaller, 18 inch, 20 inch? Any help is appreciated.
thank you.

[AlamoShooter]

I realy like Shilen barrels, the one I am shooting (match grade SS) has 10 nationals on it and over 20,000 rounds. I think it is the best.
The other barrels are good too my second pick is the VolQ.
18" is best = less hange time for the bullet
the 920" size works in most all stocks
Having the VolQ counterleaver scope mount is the best
I think the carbon fiber is a silly thing,
You can get a great STC setup from Tony Kidd at www.coolguyguns.com The Kidd trigger is the best thing you can do after a good barrel, good scope mount and good scope.
But I may not know nothing

[Matt Cheely]

I haven't shot any STC, but I did put a Shilen 18" on my gun. It will put 5 shots in a hole just barely larger than a single bullet hit at 25 yards.

[buckshot]

buckshot, on May 28 2007, 06:44 PM, said:

any suggestions on barrels to use when building a rifle. I have heard of Shilen,Clark, Volquartsen and Douglas. Does anyone have experience with the carbon fiber barrels out there. Fluted, stainless, chrome moly, .920 or smaller, 18 inch, 20 inch? Any help is appreciated.
thank you.

Thanks for the replys, one last question. I see where some competitors put the scope on the barrel as opposed to the receiver. I asked about this and was told the receiver is aluminum asnd the barrel is steel, the receiver may slightly move but if the barrel does the scope is attached to that. Anyone know of this??
thanks

[Scott R]

buckshot, on May 29 2007, 08:36 AM, said:

buckshot, on May 28 2007, 06:44 PM, said:

any suggestions on barrels to use when building a rifle. I have heard of Shilen,Clark, Volquartsen and Douglas. Does anyone have experience with the carbon fiber barrels out there. Fluted, stainless, chrome moly, .920 or smaller, 18 inch, 20 inch? Any help is appreciated.
thank you.

Thanks for the replys, one last question. I see where some competitors put the scope on the barrel as opposed to the receiver. I asked about this and was told the receiver is aluminum asnd the barrel is steel, the receiver may slightly move but if the barrel does the scope is attached to that. Anyone know of this??
thanks

It is best to mount the scope to the barrel. Here is a link to the mount that AlamoShooter talks about in his post. https://www.volquart...Items.jsp?id=34

[kmca]

You might want to check out this website:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/

[bigbrowndog]

I'm shooting a Hammerli barrel on my 10-22, although I can't recall if its a 20" or 18". Alamoshooter, tends to be an ammo snob and I like to aggravate him by using Remington bulk box 22lr, which my gun shoots at aprox an inch at the required 90yds.

The carbon barrel is worth trying if you have trouble holding your rifle offhand but it does take more concentration to break the shot due to the light weight.

Trapr

[reneet]

The couple of times that Gun Tests (the Gun World's version of Consumer Reports) has tested, CLARK has come out their best buy.

Barrel material: Choose blue or stainless (blue may have a slight edge for longevity). Carbon fiber / Aluminum = more money for less accurate results.
Barrel length: Whatever length you can comfortably support for the 2 minutes that you'll be shooting. My personal gun has a 16 1/4" .920" round blue barrel on it. Length has no bearing on accuracy.
Barrel Diameter: .920" gives most stock options
Fluting or not: Again with regard to what's comfortable for you.

Suggest: Any time a customer is unsure of the length / weight they want, I always recommend starting long and go from there.

Scope Base: Power Custom - attaches to both barrel & receiver.

[buckshot]

Thank you all for the replys. I have been told that Brownells sells a receiver that is not aluminum but made of steel and for that expense(around $400.00) that i would be better of as opposed to the Ruger aluminum receiver. BUT for that kind of money it is hard for me to justify buying it. Anyone done this??

[AlamoShooter]

buckshot, on May 29 2007, 04:15 PM, said:

Thank you all for the replys. I have been told that Brownells sells a receiver that is not aluminum but made of steel and for that expense(around $400.00) that i would be better of as opposed to the Ruger aluminum receiver. BUT for that kind of money it is hard for me to justify buying it. Anyone done this??

IF you were going to throw the gun around ...like in three gun? you mite want it. in 17 years I have never had a receiver go bad. If you gave me one I would not change it out on my gun
I use a nylon rod to deaden the bolt hitting the back of the receiver, and having a quality receiver like the one that STI makes would be nice.
Spend your cash on a good Luepold scope
But what do I know

[bigbrowndog]

Alamoshooter is right. he doesn't know nothin'. ..................don't throw money away on something you won't gain a benefit on, the Ruger receiver will do all you want it to, in terms of accuracy and useability.

There are alot of tricks that can be done to make the barrel to receiver attachment more rigid, locktite barrel to rcvr., attach scope mount to barrel and rcvr., they are really not necessary, properly put together the gun will out shoot you.

Trapr

[AlamoShooter]

bigbrowndog, on May 29 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Alamoshooter is right. he doesn't know nothin'. ..................don't throw money away on something you won't gain a benefit on, the Ruger receiver will do all you want it to, in terms of accuracy and useability.

There are alot of tricks that can be done to make the barrel to receiver attachment more rigid, locktite barrel to rcvr., attach scope mount to barrel and rcvr., they are really not necessary, properly put together the gun will out shoot you.

Trapr

You! ....you you ...You You don't know nothin ? how do you know if it will out shoot him?
But I know for shurr that...I may not know
OH and If the Big Brown Dog can't break his 10-22 ...it can't be broke.

This post has been edited by AlamoShooter: 29 May 2007 - 07:54 PM

[BPiatt]

A lot of STC shooters are actually adding weight to the end of the barrels. I have a 2lbs weight at my muzzle, finding it slows down the wobble in my hold. Those carbon fiber barrels are great if you're carrying the rifle in the woods all day but gain you little in a match.

As far as scope mount goes, think about this. If the scope is mounted to the barrel, there is zero chance of having any bedding or barrel/reciever fit issues affecting your accuracy.

Hope to see you in San Antonio.

Bruce

[Dan Sierpina]

bigbrowndog, on May 29 2007, 10:15 PM, said:

Alamoshooter is right. he doesn't know nothin'. ..................don't throw money away on something you won't gain a benefit on, the Ruger receiver will do all you want it to, in terms of accuracy and useability.

There are alot of tricks that can be done to make the barrel to receiver attachment more rigid, locktite barrel to rcvr., attach scope mount to barrel and rcvr., they are really not necessary, properly put together the gun will out shoot you.

Trapr

Trapr,
You forgot threading the reciever and screwing the barrel in. Then, pillar bed the barrel and action. Pillars are glued into the forend.

[bigbrowndog]

No Dan, I didn't forget, I was simply mentioning the easy stuff that could be done. Dan is right though the list of accuracy enhancements that can be done, is quite extensive.

Bruce,...... Myself and the Dog, will not be at the Nationals this year, I am on my way to the UK, for the British Open, Shotgun match with Kurt, and Kelly Neal. My team, I hope has found a replacement for me..............................who am I kidding I can't be replaced, .

Trapr

[AlamoShooter]

[quote name='bigbrowndog' date='May 30 2007, 01:24 PM' post='561009']
I am on my way to the UK, for the British Open, Shotgun match with Kurt, and Kelly Neal.
Good Luck in the UK Trapr

This post has been edited by AlamoShooter: 30 May 2007 - 04:47 PM

[Tom Freeman]

I am having real good luck with Lilja 3 groove, tight bore, 10/22 barrels. I currently have two of the 23 inch lightweight barrels. A muzzle heavy barrel will help settle down your wobble/hold in offhand. With Eley blackbox 50 yard (indoor) groups are around .2-.3 for 10 shots, off bags. Wolf match opens it up by a touch. At 100 the Eley shines with .5-.7 groups being the norm. I am going to try Eley Biathalon Club as soon as it shows up.

Benchmark 2 groove barrels also seem to be doing well in the smallbore community lately.

Attach a cantilever mount to the barrel, get a good stock and scope, Kidd trigger, and bed the barrel. Accuracy is fine, but reliability is just as important. Which is why I am pissed at my Marvel 1911 conversions... But getting happier now that I learned a few things the hard way.

[Nick Weidhaas]

I shot STC for about 8 yrs and tried a lot of rifle bbls (Clark, VolQ, Ruger Factory HB, Shillen). I found they all would shoot great with the right ammo. Like most bbls, I found 10/22 rifle bbls to like one load over another. Bbl length and weight is a personal preference. Since all the shooting is done off hand you need a rifle that balances right for you. A .22 has burnt all its powder in 16" of bbl., so anything longer is not getting you anything in the way of velocity, but you might like the balance. I tried 16", 18" and 20" bbls and liked the 20" in the end (same as my 3gun rifle as I think about it). The weight of the 20" bbl combined with an added bbl weight (as Bruce P mentioned) helps to slow the rifle down and allows you to break shots a little easier. I had a conversation with David Tubbs about this and I think his rifle was close to 13lbs.

Again, for ammo, run what your gun likes. I ran CCI standard velocity for practice and Fed 900 for big matches. Other popular loads with shooters were Win Power Points (dirty, but accurate) and CCI high velocity. Lots of guys liked the HV loads on the steel plates. YMMV. I miss shooting STC. It was a great all around shooting event.
Nick-

[Merlin Orr]

reneet, on May 29 2007, 09:17 AM, said:

The couple of times that Gun Tests (the Gun World's version of Consumer Reports) has tested, CLARK has come out their best buy.

Barrel material: Choose blue or stainless (blue may have a slight edge for longevity). Carbon fiber / Aluminum = more money for less accurate results.
Barrel length: Whatever length you can comfortably support for the 2 minutes that you'll be shooting. My personal gun has a 16 1/4" .920" round blue barrel on it. Length has no bearing on accuracy.
Barrel Diameter: .920" gives most stock options
Fluting or not: Again with regard to what's comfortable for you.

Suggest: Any time a customer is unsure of the length / weight they want, I always recommend starting long and go from there.

Scope Base: Power Custom - attaches to both barrel & receiver.

My stuff is at Clark's Shop right now....