[WildWest N AZ]

Im getting into reloading and was talking to my bud about it he informed me that he heard that they make dies for this that fix the brass from shooting out of a Glock. He said I could find the answer to this at this forum thus here I am. Thanks for the help!

[vincent]

I highly recommend the sizing die made by EGW which is sometimes called a "U" die. The perfect match is the Lee Factory Crimp die. Using these dies I went from having frequent problems with loaded rounds not fitting in the case guage to pretty much never having one fail.

Here is the link to the EGW sizing die:
http://egw-guns.com/...fcd88011545aa6c

Here is a link to the Lee Factory Crimp die at Midway USA, but it is available at a number of vendors:
http://www.midwayusa...leitemid=289675

Good Luck!

-Vincent

[kevin c]

Welcome to the forums, WWNAZ.

Try a search on:

EGW U Die, and

Lee factory crimp die

There is also an excellent thread on Glocked brass in the FAQ.

Good luck,

Kevin C

[.40AET]

There's a couple of things that will fix it.
EGW "U" (undersized) die.
Lee 4 die set.
Grinding down a standard die.

Each of these are done to resize the case further down to relieve the guppy bell that an unsupported chamber leaves. The most important thing is that all of the reloaded rounds pass the drop check. Get a case gauge that is smaller than your barrel chamber and that will help to ensure that the rounds will chamber in your gun.

Guppy bellied brass

Welcome aboard

[Viggen]

From my standpoint a lot said about the Glock unsupported barrels is over the top.
If a case has been shot out of a Glock barrel, so what - resize the thing.

The equipment I use for making 40's:
2 Dillon 550B's
Dillon 40 S&W dies
Dillon Case Gauge

We do not grind down any of the dies, modify or anything else. We have found no need to do so. After reloading and before shooting we use a Dillon Case Gauge or the barrel of the gun we will be using to case gauge eacy round. If there are any cases that don't gauge we toss them in the "to shoot in practice and not pick up the brass" pile. Out of ever 100 rounds loaded we get maybe 3 rounds that don't gauge, and that's when we use range brass.

Right now we are running a couple of Glock 35's with their own barrels and for the year have put something over 16,000 rounds through them. It all runs fine.

This special die, that special barrel, the other special device, it's all fine and dandy if you want to do it. But loading for a Glock is no different than loading for anything else. Don't double charge the case. If a piece of brass doesn't seem right or doesn't gauge, don't shoot it.

The only problems we have had is with dirty magazines of mag springs that needed replacing.

Pay attention, reload, case gauge, shoot, clean gun, clean mags, then do it again.

[WildWest N AZ]

Im going to get the Dillon 550 want one that does it all. He just told me that I didn't know why the stuff dillon sells wouldnt resize.

Im way new to reloading so any advice is great.

[vincent]

The normal Dillon sizing dies have a bell on the bottom of the sizing die to help make it easier to load fast. There is more room for error getting the case up into the die. However this also means that the very bottom of the case is not sized as well as it could be. On cases shot through guns with less support at the 6 o'clock position like Glocks, Berettas, etc. this can cause some trouble when feeding into guns with tighter chambers like 1911's and STI/SVI guns. I know it cause trouble for me.

The EGW "U" die is a special order Lee sizing die that does not have the bell and is actually slightly under sized. This sizing die will size the entire case.

The Lee Factory Crimp die also has a sizing ring so it not only crimps the case but does a final resize that occurs after the bullet is seated and everything which basically double checks everything.

As I mentioned using the EGW "U" sizing die, the Dillon seating die, and the Lee Factory Crimp die I have reduced the number of loaded rounds failing to case gauge down to pretty much zero.

I buy once fired range brass which is mostly fired out of service auto's like Glocks and such. However I reload for an STI/SVI pistol which has much tighter tolerances. I started out with all Dillon dies and they were not working for me. I had way too many loaded rounds fail to case guage. Then I added the Lee Factory Crimp die which helped but I was still getting too many rounds fail to gauge so I added the EGW sizing die. Now everything is great.

I also recommend using Hornady One Shot spray case lube when loading. It makes everything run much more smoothly and when you are resizing Glocked brass it really helps out.

[Intel6]

I have been working my way through a bucket of once fired Win .40 cases that I got from the local FBI which had all been fired in Glocks. I am loading on a 650, sizing with a RCBS 10mm sizer (I got the dies before there was such a thing as .40 S&W) and then after seating I am using a Lee FCD to crimp it. I have loaded and fired over 2,000 rds of this ammo and have not had a jam or misfeed in my stock STI Edge.

While the glock brass can cause some guns problems I just don't see it? I used to worry about it and keep my brass seperated but I don't bother now.

Neal in AZ

[al503]

I was using a Dillon size die and the Lee FCD and I was getting just a few rounds that wouldn't gauge. I tried the EGW die and started crushing a few rounds/hundred because of the reduced funneling. I went back to the Dillon die because the interruptions (clear crushed case, check for squib or double charge after a partial stroke, make sure a primer was inserted or not) just weren't worth the time for me.

This post has been edited by al503: 22 November 2005 - 11:02 AM

[WildWest N AZ]

I will only be shooting 40 out my G23 so do have worry about changing my dies to the others you suggested or will Dillons work fine for me? Just wondering now if had STI or something else it seems to be worth the change.

[GuildSF4]

WildWest N AZ, on Nov 22 2005, 10:48 PM, said:

I will only be shooting 40 out my G23 so do have worry about changing my dies to the others you suggested or will Dillons work fine for me? Just wondering now if had STI or something else it seems to be worth the change.

It depends on what your barrel will accept. IIRC the guppy part is where the glock barrel does not support the brass. If you have a Dillon set try it and see how it works in your gun, if there are issues try the EGW undersize die (which is only about $20 by the way), then the Lee FCD if you still have issues.

[WildWest N AZ]

I went ahead and ordered the (U) die, I was getting to much stuff not case gauging but still worked flawless in my gun. Im to picky I want all my stuff to gauge. If I understand its just a Lee die they make for EGW thats under sized more than thier standard sizing die?

[Sean Gaines]

The good thing about case gauges is that they are a fast way to check to see if the case is up to spec, with the case gauge but not up to spec with your barrel. Now if the case gauge is tighter than your barrel, then you probably wont have any problems, just case gauging. but you need to know that for sure. I find that the case gauge is not the true answer in making sure that the bullet will go into the gun. I loaded about 500 rounds the other day and had 7 rounds that would go into the case gauge that woudn't go into the barrel. If you are using a match grade type barrel where the chamber is a little tighter, you may want to stick the bullets down you barrel instead to make sure that they are going to go into the barrel correctly before using. I have been seeing alot of friends do this method lately, because of jamming and not knowing what the problem was, and usually think its a gun related problem, when its just an ammo problem. Dont get me wrong I have the u die along with the factory crimp die, but those are great products, but you still need to check your ammo, or you might be working on your tap, rack, bang drills in the middle of the stage. Just my .02 cents from experience.
pk

[jkrispies]

WildWest N AZ, on Dec 21 2005, 11:20 PM, said:

I went ahead and ordered the (U) die, I was getting to much stuff not case gauging but still worked flawless in my gun. Im to picky I want all my stuff to gauge. If I understand its just a Lee die they make for EGW thats under sized more than thier standard sizing die?

WildWest,

Lee makes the U-die on their own, already undersized; I think you have to call them specifically to request it, however. I had similar questions about the EGW die due to some "Internet myths" that I'd read about it. I ended up having a short email conversating George Smith at EGW regarding the matter that really cleared things up. With his permission, I'll post it below, edited for format but not content...


I understand that you grind the bottom of Lee U-dies to make your undersize reloading die. I'm wondering if you offer the ground regular sized dies?

Thanks, John



Hi John,

Isn't the internet fun?

No. We do not grind the dies here. If you grind the bottom of the die, the bottom gets too sharp and scores the case. And If you get a tight case the carbide insert pulls out of the die. (I've seen that.)

Our dies are made to our spec, smaller corner radius to reach further down, smaller by .001-002 in diameter to size the case more, clean up bulges and retain the bullet better. (Never hold by the crimp.)

They are available by calling or on line.

Thank you for asking
geo



Thanks for the explanation, George! I went ahead and ordered one of your dies after receiving your reply.

I was also wondering, since I've seen the statement more than once on discussion boards that your dies are simply ground Lee U-dies, would you mind if I quoted your reply when the subject crops up again? It might actually help your sales, as I've seen a few folks post the suggestion to have a machinist grind the bottom off of existing dies. >From the sound of your reply, that wouldn't work anyway, and perhaps it would help to nudge the person to simply buy from you to begin with.

Of course, I won't do any quoting without your blessing!



Hi John,

No problem, you can quote me on that. Grinding a flat on the bottom will shave the case and make it easier for the insert to come out.

Best regards,
geo

This post has been edited by jkrispies: 22 December 2005 - 10:44 AM

[WildWest N AZ]

I still plan on using the gauge for everything and it is much tighter than my stock barrel such a time killer on a stage when you get a jam. Hell the stuff that dosent gauge still jingles in my barrel. Oh the advantages of having a Glock! So jkrispies Im still not sure who makes this for EGW is it the Lee one or does Lee make this sizing die to EGW's specifications, or does EGW make it themselves?

[jkrispies]

WildWest N AZ, on Dec 22 2005, 03:21 PM, said:

I still plan on using the gauge for everything and it is much tighter than my stock barrel such a time killer on a stage when you get a jam. Hell the stuff that dosent gauge still jingles in my barrel. Oh the advantages of having a Glock! So jkrispies Im still not sure who makes this for EGW is it the Lee one or does Lee make this sizing die to EGW's specifications, or does EGW make it themselves?

Lee makes the die itself (there aren't any special markings to distinguish it from any other Lee die), but it's to EGW's specifications. By making it 1/1000th tighter, the brass will feed more reliably; furthermore, it sizes farther down than any other die, which will get rid of the Glock "guppy-belly" you'll run into shooting .40S&W out of a stock barrel.

[WildWest N AZ]

I got it to today you can tell abit of diff if you look at the bottom of the 2 dies but thats about it. Look forward to trying it out!

[astroskg]

new to the progressive reloading machines but have been around for a few years. question is just got myself a new 40SW been picking up brass here and there and ran across this forum on glock bulge . i have a XDM and just ordered my Dillon Square deal press. i have yet to order a case gauge (after all i have read guess i should get one)(thought it was for checking OAL of the finished round and had calipers to do that) with all the stories about the bulge and not for sure where all my brass is from i decided to order a de-capper die to set up on my single stage Lee Challenger press its around 25 to 30 years old but used very little so i could decap and clean / tumble my brass before inspection and reloading in my new press.....(thought it would keep the new press cleaner because old primers get things dirty faster)

are we now saying the current thought process would be to use an undersize die also before loading these cases?
would i resize useing the undersize die (on my old press) and then run it thru my square deal and resize/prime the cases?

One time only for this unkown brass right?

once i have run them thru the undersize die, reloaded them, shot them (not thru a Glock), and collected my brass when i go to reload them again they should be fine right because i have the XDM ????? and supported chamber...


also i read mention of useing case lube i thought the reason for carbide dies was that you didn't need to use lube.... maybe these questions are answered in my book on the press i bought guess i will read it cover to cover a couple times before i start up reloading again when it gets here.

Hopefully i am not beating a dead horse with these questions and that there is some merit to them. i never seemed to run into these issues years ago when reloading 30.06 for hunting and the several hundred rounds of 32 long and 32H&R mag i shot thru my old ruger revolver.

any help/insight is greatly appreciated

[astroskg]

new to the progressive reloading machines but have been around for a few years. question is just got myself a new 40SW been picking up brass here and there and ran across this forum on glock bulge . i have a XDM and just ordered my Dillon Square deal press. i have yet to order a case gauge (after all i have read guess i should get one)(thought it was for checking OAL of the finished round and had calipers to do that) with all the stories about the bulge and not for sure where all my brass is from i decided to order a de-capper die to set up on my single stage Lee Challenger press its around 25 to 30 years old but used very little so i could decap and clean / tumble my brass before inspection and reloading in my new press.....(thought it would keep the new press cleaner because old primers get things dirty faster)

are we now saying the current thought process would be to use an undersize die also before loading these cases?
would i resize useing the undersize die (on my old press) and then run it thru my square deal and resize/prime the cases?

One time only for this unkown brass right?

once i have run them thru the undersize die, reloaded them, shot them (not thru a Glock), and collected my brass when i go to reload them again they should be fine right because i have the XDM ????? and supported chamber...


also i read mention of useing case lube i thought the reason for carbide dies was that you didn't need to use lube.... maybe these questions are answered in my book on the press i bought guess i will read it cover to cover a couple times before i start up reloading again when it gets here.

Hopefully i am not beating a dead horse with these questions and that there is some merit to them. i never seemed to run into these issues years ago when reloading 30.06 for hunting and the several hundred rounds of 32 long and 32H&R mag i shot thru my old ruger revolver.

any help/insight is greatly appreciated

[G-ManBart]

astroskg, on Nov 16 2009, 03:25 PM, said:

are we now saying the current thought process would be to use an undersize die also before loading these cases?
would i resize useing the undersize die (on my old press) and then run it thru my square deal and resize/prime the cases?

One time only for this unkown brass right?

once i have run them thru the undersize die, reloaded them, shot them (not thru a Glock), and collected my brass when i go to reload them again they should be fine right because i have the XDM ????? and supported chamber...


also i read mention of useing case lube i thought the reason for carbide dies was that you didn't need to use lube.... maybe these questions are answered in my book on the press i bought guess i will read it cover to cover a couple times before i start up reloading again when it gets here.

Running the brass through the EGW/U-die before loading on an SDB is an excellent way to go about it. If you're going to be picking up your brass and reloading it you probably won't have to run it through the U-die a second time since it's going back in the same gun. Using case lube will cut down on the effort to run the press and it's even more helpful when using brass that's been run through a U-die at it's a little tighter on the expander die. I prefer to use a bit of unscented lanolin as a case lube, but lots of folks use One Shot. You can do a search in the reloading section and find lots of info on both of those (and more). R,

[astroskg]

G-ManBart, on Nov 17 2009, 05:36 AM, said:

astroskg, on Nov 16 2009, 03:25 PM, said:

are we now saying the current thought process would be to use an undersize die also before loading these cases?
would i resize useing the undersize die (on my old press) and then run it thru my square deal and resize/prime the cases?

One time only for this unkown brass right?

once i have run them thru the undersize die, reloaded them, shot them (not thru a Glock), and collected my brass when i go to reload them again they should be fine right because i have the XDM ????? and supported chamber...


also i read mention of useing case lube i thought the reason for carbide dies was that you didn't need to use lube.... maybe these questions are answered in my book on the press i bought guess i will read it cover to cover a couple times before i start up reloading again when it gets here.

Running the brass through the EGW/U-die before loading on an SDB is an excellent way to go about it. If you're going to be picking up your brass and reloading it you probably won't have to run it through the U-die a second time since it's going back in the same gun. Using case lube will cut down on the effort to run the press and it's even more helpful when using brass that's been run through a U-die at it's a little tighter on the expander die. I prefer to use a bit of unscented lanolin as a case lube, but lots of folks use One Shot. You can do a search in the reloading section and find lots of info on both of those (and more). R,

thanks so much for your help