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Four Aces - Phil's Drill from the draw 2 reload 2

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 07:31 AM

We were all awestruck when Phil admitted that in his first practice session back he ripped a draw, two Alpha, a reload and two alpha in 1.80. That's about a .75 draw, .75 reload and two .15 splits.

But, what can YOU do it in?

Gear and Class please.

10y. Relaxed or surrender your choice.

1.80 seems WAY out there, I'm guessing for myself anything around 2.30 for four A's would be pretty spiffy. That'd be a .95 draw, .95 reload and two splits of .20.

Give us some runs, even if they were down a "C" of two. Throw in the hf if you like.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 08:44 AM

I'd probably never get below 2.00
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 09:16 AM

I can barely do 1+1 in DRYFIRE in 1.80. No idea about the 2+2 livefire.

I'm guessing that means Phil's got better skills...
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 09:26 AM

You can say that again! Eric, sent you a PM.

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 10:13 AM

.92 draw .20 split, 1.89 reload .20 split...... Can do this pretty consitantly now.

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 10:31 AM

I won't even tell you guys what I did a draw, 1, reload 1 in about 2 months ago, cause no one will believe it.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 10:50 AM

come on, come on. Give, Give.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 10:51 AM

Matthew Mink, on Aug 10 2005, 11:31 AM, said:

I won't even tell you guys what I did a draw, 1, reload 1 in about 2 months ago, cause no one will believe it.


It was that slow, eh???

:lol:
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 11:27 AM

Matthew Mink, on Aug 10 2005, 10:31 AM, said:

I won't even tell you guys what I did a draw, 1, reload 1 in about 2 months ago, cause no one will believe it.



Alright Matt, I'll tell them. Matt did a 1+1 in .99. A .49 draw and a .50 reload.

What happened Matt, did you fumble the reload. :P
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 12:26 PM

Matt,

I hope you're joking because I shoot in Production like you and will be competing against you, I didnt even want to know you can do that. You just made my job a hell of a lot harder :P

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 02:49 PM

He told me....I believe him only because I know him.

Let's just say it is quite a bit faster than mine.....and my fastest is 1.26.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 05:29 PM

Hmm, Matt you been holdin out on me,
why didn't you call and tell me that one!!
That beats my buck twenty nine bill drill hands down!!
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 05:53 PM

Daaaayyyummm! :blink:

I'll be lucky to clear a 2+2 in under 2.5. You guys are machines, that's all I can say. I've got to stop reading these threads because every time I do, the goal seems so far off, that I start losing motivation to keep on working.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 06:41 PM

Since Ron let the cat outta the bag, here is the story:

I was practicing the basics one day, and I had been doing draw, 2, transition 2 drills at 5 to 7 yards and I noticed I was sneaking in some pretty good draws. Had a slew of .70's, a few .60's so I decided to see what I could do on a 3 yard open target. Started in the .60 range, then hit a personal best somewhere in the .50's, then decided to try to hit a .4x while I was at it. Manny was the inspiration for this BTW since we had a few conversations on the subject. After a few .50 flats in a row, I hit a .49, then I had a perfect execution and hit a .41, all with Production gear, DA first shot, etc...

So then I decided to see what I could do a 3 yard draw, 1, reload 1. After dinking around in the 1.3 range, I hit a new best, I think it was a 1.21, but that PB didn't last too long so I don't really remember. I was running out of ammo and I was still feeling a bit perky so I decided to go for it. I ran a bunch of 1.20-1.30's then for some reason I had this really smooth, relaxed run and looked down and saw a .99 on the timer. My first thought was crap, it didn't pick up the 2nd shot and I musta been sleeping on the draw on that one... My second thought was, that figures I had a smokin load on that one... So then I counted the shots on the timer and saw it did get both of them, a .49 draw and a .50 load. I about fell over... :o

And I do believe this personal best is gonna stand a LOOOOONNNNNNGGGG time......... :blink:
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 06:44 PM

DaBlaster, on Aug 10 2005, 06:29 PM, said:

Hmm, Matt you been holdin out on me,
why didn't you call and tell me that one!!
That beats my buck twenty nine bill drill hands down!!


I didn't have to call you, I was sitting right next to you at Applebee's when I told you!!!!!!! Since it was only me and you I was assuming you were listening. :D

How many Corona's did you have anyways?!?! :lol:
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 06:47 PM

One thing about it, it is a lot of fun to practice, but of course it isn't
the way we do it in a match, but I know it has to help somehow or another!!
if nothing else, it puts fun in practice and lots of lead down range...
If winning was easy...
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 06:10 AM

ok, on that note my gear is now for sale on ebay under "toys I'll never play with again, 'cause the big bully ruined the game for me".
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 06:19 AM

Holy Crap Batman
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 08:06 PM

Well reading this made me go out and do it.....

.80 draw, .18 split, 1.76 reload, .20 split. (2.94 total)

I was shooting Static 8 inch plates at 10 yds, hit the right one twice and the left one once.

Same Revolver and other stuff.

Oh yeah.....A class

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 05:29 PM

best ever was a 1.93
A class limited,
i had a .77 draw and a .88 reload... and some fast f-in splits...i think it was only 7yd though.

Open Unclassified.
best was 2.18 sleepy 1.00 draw, .14 split, .90 load and another .14 split
this was today...for some reason i cant get the draw down on the open gun like i could with my limited glock..perhaps its the Dot...?
a side note to all this, my limited hits were all over the A zone, some busting the perf for the C, but still As.
the Open hits were all clustered beside the "A" in the A zone.


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 10:54 PM

I'll try some this weekend and do what Phil did, dont give a crap and after shooting the Nats, just gas it up.

Matt,

That's actually scary fast!!!

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 09:00 AM

My best on this one, so far, is a 2.38 (did it twice) with 1.07 draw and 1.02 reload (7 yards, RAS, Open Master). I did a 2.39, as well, with a trigger freeze on the 2nd shot, with a .95 draw and a .97 reload. Lots of runs in the 2.50 range with 1.10-ish draws and 1.10-ish reloads.
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 10:57 AM

I know this won't impress you guys but I am putting it down here so I can reference back to it.

Tried draw fire one reload fire one at the range on Sat.

Best was 1.07 draw and 1.28 reload. for 2 alpha at 10 yds

O yeah I was pleased as punch.



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This post has been edited by alellis: 11 July 2006 - 10:58 AM

There are no matches, just stages. Shoot stages

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 11:43 AM

Wow! This is some impressive stuff!
What's the standard human reaction time, 0.20 sec?

To get .40's and .60's shots off after a .20 reaction is some unbelievable speed (getting your hand to the holster, grabbing the gun, drawing the gun and pulling the trigger) Can that all be done in .20 seconds?

...apparently. :)
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 01:31 PM

Single stack legal gear, Springfield 45, winchester hardball, IPSC target at 10 yards............ 2.48sec, 4 A's.
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