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Jan 4 2005, 02:37 PM
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![]() Ghost Dog ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 11862 Joined: 1-May 01 From: AZ Member No.: 171 |
Almost daily I have to explain (to a customer) that although I never used the Roller Handle for the 550, many that I talk to on the phone love it, and that same vibe is reported on the forum as well. So forgetting whether or not you prefer the plastic or the aluminum Roller Handle - if you initially used the factory ball handle for the 550, but then later purchased a Roller Handle - did you find it a worthwhile improvement. And if you care to comment, why?
thanks, be -------------------- Hope is for the fools that care about what they hope for.
BrianEnos.com Online Store: Books | Slide-Glide | Dillon Precision | DVDs | Wilson | Donate | BROWNELLS BrianEnos.com Dealer Forum / Blems in Stock "I hate people when they're not polite." David Byrne |
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Jan 4 2005, 02:42 PM
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Searches for "Zamboni" in Yellow Pages ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Forum Dealer Posts: 10045 Joined: 11-September 01 From: Spokane, WA Member No.: 641 |
Dillon should make the roller handle a stock feature, period. The ball-end handle is a joke. People that only load 100 rounds in a session will probably never care. As soon as you hit the 45 minute mark, the roller handle is a godsend.
My only request is that Dillon grind wrench flats at the base of the roller handle to make it easier to cinch down. -------------------- TruGrip Pre-Cut Grip Tape
QUOTE “What match performance gains will I / can I expect” from ... whatever the latest J.C. Whitney crap we think we need to hang on our gun(s)? [The] answer is PRACTICE!!! PE Kelley |
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Jan 4 2005, 02:45 PM
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Sees Sights ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 262 Joined: 21-November 01 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 1455 |
Brian, although I voted yes, I actually made the roller handle myself. I prefer the roller handle because after loading several hundred rounds with the ball the web between my fingers would be raw to the point of bleeding. The roller handle eliminated that problem. I do have a "real Dillon" roller handle on 650.
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Jan 4 2005, 03:04 PM
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![]() Silly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 1124 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Member No.: 4067 |
I want one. Maybe Eric will buy me one cause I hurt bullets and blow up guns.
-------------------- Team FIREBIRD
"I like it firm and fruity~ WOOF ! " |
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Jan 4 2005, 03:06 PM
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![]() Beyond it All ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 1132 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Santa Cruz, California Member No.: 3185 |
The roller handle is mandatory equipment along with the bullet tray. I wouldn't want to load without them.
-------------------- sic transit gloria mundi
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Jan 4 2005, 03:26 PM
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![]() This Forum is full of em...(truly nice people) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 8520 Joined: 4-October 03 From: Corpus Christi TX Member No.: 2898 |
I think both EricW & Newguy hit the nail on the head.... A few rounds with the ballhead is fine but after a while your hand cramps or get really sore - or both.
Can you say ergonomics? I have the roller handle on both my 550s - purchased from our host I might add. And as I think about it I believe Brian asked this question when I ordered mine..... I used the ballhead handle for "Several" thousand rounds. I purchased the roller handle upon the advise of a friend who has one. I do not lube my cases before loading and the apparent effort of the "stroke"seems reduced by over 50% with the roller handle. I am a believer! -------------------- "You ever fire a shot and not remember seeing a sight picture?" " "Of course," I replied. (BE)" "That's what I'm going to avoid," From Jerry Miculek to BE....and made my own as "The Undeniable Gospel"
Coastal Bend Shooters USPSA - IDPA - ICORE - 3 Gun |
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Jan 4 2005, 04:40 PM
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![]() Coerced ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 6362 Joined: 29-December 04 From: FL Member No.: 4953 |
Brian tried to talk me into one
Brian, thanks for ALL of your HELP getting me up and running! In case any of yohaahve not ordered from Brian, he is AWESOME. I had a major SNAFU, and Brian seriously took care of me, even though it was my mistake. I am a customer for life, hope you guys support our host too! Thanks again Brian!!!!! -------------------- |
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Jan 4 2005, 05:11 PM
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![]() Patches ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 904 Joined: 9-November 01 From: Clinton, Mississippi Member No.: 1528 |
The roller handle is awesome but, in response to short round, I never missed the bullet tray until I got a strong mount. I think if you have a strong mount, you need a bullet tray.
-------------------- John Heiter - TY45807
-"Code Monkey like Fritos" |
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Jan 4 2005, 05:35 PM
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Looks for Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 161 Joined: 8-November 02 From: florida Member No.: 1485 |
Love the ball on a 550b. Positive primer feel and I push out 5-600 per hour with no blisters or cramps. Old john
-------------------- I'll never miss again! In my dreams
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Jan 4 2005, 05:40 PM
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Sees Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 216 Joined: 22-October 04 From: Lancaster, PA Member No.: 4651 |
I have the roller handle on my new 550. I tried the ball handle but didn't like the ergonmics.
As much as everyone here respects Dillon, I think they charge a little too much for the handle and the various accessories. They should make it a stock item. I did buy them from Brian. Service was topnotch. |
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Jan 4 2005, 07:36 PM
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![]() who??? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 1604 Joined: 19-February 03 From: Conway, AR Member No.: 1999 |
I guess I'm the oddball. I've got the ball handle on a 550 and I never have felt the urge for the roller. I've even had extended reloading sessions in one day, like 3000 or so rds and never felt like I needed the roller. This is one of those incredibly subjective issues I guess.
-------------------- Will work for CZ 75's.
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Jan 4 2005, 07:41 PM
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![]() Mr. Nub ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 3160 Joined: 19-December 04 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4907 |
I also just have the stock ball on my 550. Just last week I did about 1000 rounds one night and it never bothered me. I did think about how it might help to have the roller handle, but it didn't hurt my hand like it seems to do to some people.
-------------------- "Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
"It's not a sport if it can't kill you." |
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Jan 4 2005, 08:08 PM
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![]() Off To The Races ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 5734 Joined: 20-January 02 From: Pacifica, CA, USA Member No.: 749 |
Used my 550 for over ten years without a roller handle and never thought there was a problem. Now that I have the roller handle I would not go back to the ball handle if you paid me to.
The strong mount and the bullet tray have also improved my loading process. Once again though, I didn’t know what I was really missing until I got them. -- Regards, -------------------- Geoffrey Linder
USPSA TY11141 Member Since 1989 AFM #655 2000 Yamaha TZ125 GP Bike 1963 Triumph TR650 Tractor Axial Video Systems The Extreme Sports Video Specialists |
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Jan 4 2005, 08:12 PM
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Looks for Range ![]() Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 1-July 04 Member No.: 4125 |
Standard ball on my 550 and I plan on keeping it that way. I thought about switching to the roller handle but I think that it would be better suited to a machine with an automatic case feeder. It seems that it would be easier to grab the ball end after manually inserting the new case, as opposed to the roller handle.
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Jan 4 2005, 08:58 PM
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Kachik-kerplunk...kachik-kerplunk ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 2956 Joined: 27-February 03 From: Richmond, California Member No.: 1150 |
I have the ball. I pad it, though, with a rag in the palm of the hand - primer seating on the SDB I have is at the end of the upstroke, and my palm gets sore after a long reloading session. I don't know if the roller handle would make a difference for that.
-------------------- MASTER class, one of these days...
Being unconquerable lies within yourself - Sun-Tzu |
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Jan 4 2005, 10:15 PM
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![]() I'm out of warranty and the parts are hard to replace ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 3640 Joined: 19-January 02 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 2167 |
I switched the ball out and have no intentions of going back.
Ask yourself, What would a 1050 be like with a ball ? -------------------- "This hobby is like having a high mainteance wife and a super model mistress... Fun as all get out, but expensive as hell!!!" sgj2025 @ snipershide.com
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Jan 4 2005, 10:50 PM
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![]() I just can't seem to help myself ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 3621 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Mobile, AL Member No.: 473 |
I have a ball on the 550 and never have any problems. I had a roller handle on the 650and after the first 1000 rounds or so my elbow felt like someone was sticking a knife into it. I discovered I was letting my wrist roll back at the bottom of the sroke. The Dr. called it Tennis Elbow.
Two bottles of Celebrex, a week of phys. therapy, 5 months and a new bottle of Glucosamine Condroiten and it's almost back to normal. OBTW, I put the Ball back on just my experience dj -------------------- "I live in my own little world, but it's ok... they know me here." - Unknown
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero - 55 BC |
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Jan 4 2005, 11:02 PM
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![]() Calls Shots ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 748 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Port Allen, Louisiana Member No.: 3027 |
Tried the ball. Didn't like it. Left blisters in my palm. Put an old sock over the ball held on with duct tape. Much improved but still......
Upgraded the 550 with the strong mount and bullet tray when I built my new bench. When I ordered, Brian mentioned that there was a new item that hadn't made the web site yet, a brass bin. Oh heck, throw that in too, and while you're at it one of those roller handle thingys with the metal roller. The strong mount, bullet tray, and brass bin are nice additions. Speeds up the loading process by economy of motion. The roller handle however ...whoohoo. No more blisters. No more sore arms after long reloading sessions. Well worth the money for me. People who order a new press ought to have the choice of ball or roller as a no charge option. -------------------- A mind is like a parachute. Neither functions properly unless fully opened.
My name is Hank and I'm an IPSC shooter. |
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Jan 5 2005, 12:32 AM
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Burned Out ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 2106 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Auckland New Zealand Member No.: 789 |
Roller Handle for everything when funds allow.
They need one for the Square Deal B -------------------- So many guns, so little time.
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Jan 5 2005, 01:55 AM
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![]() Voice of Reason ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 8580 Joined: 3-May 01 From: Levittown, PA Member No.: 1460 |
While I've never used a 550, the Square Deal Bs I used to reload on had a ball handle. The two biggest improvements when I switched to the 650 were the case feeder and the roller handle --- and if I could have only one, I'm pretty sure I'd pick the handle....
-------------------- Nik
You're shooting Steel like an A class shooter. Why are you shooting the Paper so slowly? ---- Dave Marques, Production Nationals, 2005 This is a game of high-speed precision. If you don't precisely plan what you want to happen, there's not much chance that it will. ---- Brian Enos, 2004 |
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Jan 5 2005, 03:14 AM
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![]() Tiggeress ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 1186 Joined: 20-October 02 From: Texas Member No.: 1235 |
I have used both the roller and the ball. Have thought about putting the ball back on because letting the ball roll in my hand during both strokes was very comfortable. Holding on to the roller keeps a little more tension in my wrist and the arc of the stroke is a little different. After the initial blisters and callouses, neither one hurts my hand.
Liota -------------------- Hear me...mew!
"Bother", said Pooh as he chambered another round -markhb |
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Jan 5 2005, 05:01 AM
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![]() Sees Sights Lift ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 373 Joined: 17-August 02 From: Martinsville, Indiana Member No.: 579 |
The roller handle should be standard equipment on all of Dillon presses. Before getting the roller handle 300-400 rounds was about all I wanted to do at a time. After getting the handle I could go for 1000 rounds or more at a time. It is well worth the money.
-------------------- I am the key to my shooting success!!!
At the match you only have the shot in front of you. Steve Anderson 3/29/07 |
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Jan 5 2005, 07:36 AM
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![]() Sees Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Classified Posts: 224 Joined: 29-October 01 From: Toronto, Canada Member No.: 1436 |
I was just explaining about the roller handle to a friend recently.
I told him that's the part of the press that he is actually holding/handling all the time while he is reloading. I feel one can skim on other features of a Dillon but a aluminum roller handle is a "Must have". -------------------- ~Nick
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Jan 5 2005, 03:29 PM
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![]() Ghost Dog ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 11862 Joined: 1-May 01 From: AZ Member No.: 171 |
Thanks for the massive feedback everyone!
QUOTE People who order a new press ought to have the choice of ball or roller as a no charge option. You might not be able to guess how many times I've heard that. And on the subject of "overpriced accessories/machine options," my feeling, and this is just my opinion and does not in any way have anything to do with Dillon's marketing strategy, is that they do everything they can to keep the initial price of the machine as low as possible, with the hope of recovering a little profit with the sale of accessories. Really, the 650 "should be" sold with the Casefeeder, Roller Handle, Strong Mount, and Bullet Tray; however, after selling their products for several years, I do feel that would reduce the 650's sales. be -------------------- Hope is for the fools that care about what they hope for.
BrianEnos.com Online Store: Books | Slide-Glide | Dillon Precision | DVDs | Wilson | Donate | BROWNELLS BrianEnos.com Dealer Forum / Blems in Stock "I hate people when they're not polite." David Byrne |
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Jan 5 2005, 03:56 PM
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Searches for "Zamboni" in Yellow Pages ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Forum Dealer Posts: 10045 Joined: 11-September 01 From: Spokane, WA Member No.: 641 |
Price out the tooling dollars Dillon coughs up to build its products and you'll wonder how they make it all so cheap.
It all seems "overpriced" until you're the guy writing the 20, 50 and 100 thousand dollar checks to launch new products. -------------------- TruGrip Pre-Cut Grip Tape
QUOTE “What match performance gains will I / can I expect” from ... whatever the latest J.C. Whitney crap we think we need to hang on our gun(s)? [The] answer is PRACTICE!!! PE Kelley |
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