If somebody holds an umbrella over a shooter while he makes ready is that assistance? What if the RO is using an umbrella and he holds it over shooters as they make ready?
Assistance 8.6.1
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, Aug 05 2012 08:53 PM
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:53 PM
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:02 PM
Not sure on the ruling, but I would be embarrassed to have someone hold an umbrella for me. I would DQ myself for being a pussy.
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:51 PM
Is that putting the "man" in sportsmans-like behavior?
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:06 AM
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:13 AM
"No assistance of any kind can be given to a competitor during a course
of fire"
"Make Ready" starts the COF so I think the phrase "of any kind" is pretty clear. I would say keeping the rain off the shooter is assitance of some kind.
So if they do it 8.6.2 seems to come into play.
Any person providing interference or unauthorized assistance to a competitor
during a course of fire (and the competitor receiving such assistance)
may, at the discretion of a Range Officer, incur a procedural
penalty for that stage and/or be subject to Section 10.6.
of fire"
"Make Ready" starts the COF so I think the phrase "of any kind" is pretty clear. I would say keeping the rain off the shooter is assitance of some kind.
So if they do it 8.6.2 seems to come into play.
Any person providing interference or unauthorized assistance to a competitor
during a course of fire (and the competitor receiving such assistance)
may, at the discretion of a Range Officer, incur a procedural
penalty for that stage and/or be subject to Section 10.6.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:39 AM
Was it done for all shooters or just a few?
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:57 AM
If somebody holds an umbrella over a shooter while he makes ready is that assistance? What if the RO is using an umbrella and he holds it over shooters as they make ready?
I am more than a little upset that you didn't hold an umbrella when I shot with you!
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:35 PM
No, the COF the rules are talking about is anything that has to do with your performance after the buzzer.
During the Make Ready an RO could tell you NOT to do it, because it interferes with his view of the shooter or something like that.
But until the buzzer goes off, you can hand mags, equipment or any number of things and not incur a penalty.
As long as it's safe, and doesn't interfere with the RO.
But, I always ask the RO first, as I don't like to piss off the guy who's going to be following me later in the COF.
During the Make Ready an RO could tell you NOT to do it, because it interferes with his view of the shooter or something like that.
But until the buzzer goes off, you can hand mags, equipment or any number of things and not incur a penalty.
As long as it's safe, and doesn't interfere with the RO.
But, I always ask the RO first, as I don't like to piss off the guy who's going to be following me later in the COF.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 02:15 PM
So an umbrella over the shooter to keep the lens of their optical sight mostly dry during "make ready" does not affect the performance after the buzzer?
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:15 PM
No, the COF the rules are talking about is anything that has to do with your performance after the buzzer.
Huh? There is only ONE COF!
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:58 PM
Aka the cof begins with make ready
No, the COF the rules are talking about is anything that has to do with your performance after the buzzer.
Huh? There is only ONE COF!
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 03:30 AM
No, the COF the rules are talking about is anything that has to do with your performance after the buzzer.
During the Make Ready an RO could tell you NOT to do it, because it interferes with his view of the shooter or something like that.
But until the buzzer goes off, you can hand mags, equipment or any number of things and not incur a penalty.
As long as it's safe, and doesn't interfere with the RO.
But, I always ask the RO first, as I don't like to piss off the guy who's going to be following me later in the COF.
8.3.1 “Make Ready” – This command signifies the start of “the Course of
Fire”.
If you interfear with a shooter after MR we have a problem. I would have moved you away from the shooter before MR and that means you came back. Not good.
Edited by ktm300, 07 August 2012 - 03:30 AM.
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