[MattBurkett]

Ponderables

I am here which is hard to understand as I am not where your "here" would be but rather where mine is.

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Understanding is easier without language.

A language only interferes with Zen but without IT, how can IT be passed on.
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Zen is easy:
You either have it and don't need it or you need it and can't have it.
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Understanding is difficult and yet painless.
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Every **** has possibilities and probabilities. How do you guide it before it is?
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If you just remember which end the bullets come out of, you will have a better chance of reaching the zone than nearly everyone else.

[Bill Schwab]

MattBurkett, on Jul 28 2004, 04:19 AM, said:

Zen is easy:
You either have it and don't need it or you need it and can't have it.

I can relate to that one....

[Dead Buff]

MattBurkett, on Jul 28 2004, 11:19 AM, said:

If you just remember which end the bullets come out of, you will have a better chance of reaching the zone than nearly everyone else.

Now I know why!

[SiG Lady]

We all already "have it." We just need to remind ourselves (be aware) of it. "Wanting it" means we've missed the turnoff because we were distracted by activity on the highway... A step further: We're all already "there."

[short_round]

MattBurkett, on Jul 28 2004, 02:19 AM, said:

I am here which is hard to understand as I am not where your "here" would be but rather where mine is.

"No matter where you go, there you are."

[MattBurkett]

Short, is the here a physical location, mental thought, or state of being? Or everything yet nothing? Why?
I was "on" the internet which is kind of neat because you can't be "on" it and still have a physical presence. Where and when is your "here" and are you ever really there?

Sig, if you need to be reminded of it, you don't have it. If you have it, there is no need to remember it for there is no need for it.

From where the water drains the other "way",
Matt

[SiG Lady]

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"Sig, if you need to be reminded of it, you don't have it. If you have it, there is no need to remember it for there is no need for it."

That's kinda what I meant. Words don't cut it.

Again, we're already there.

[AikiDale]

g'day Matt!

If you see the Buddha on the billabong shoot him!

[MattBurkett]

The buddha and billabong are the same thing. Shoot them both! JK

[AikiDale]

You are here. I am here. We communicate here. We know the buddha billabong needs shooting so we are where its at. Now that is an illusion to be proud of!

[George D]

MattBurkett, on Jul 28 2004, 07:19 PM, said:

Ponderables

Understanding is easier without language.

A language only interferes with Zen but without IT, how can IT be passed on.

He who knows does not say. He who says does not know. -Lao Tse

[short_round]

MattBurkett, on Jul 28 2004, 03:32 PM, said:

Short, is the here a physical location, mental thought, or state of being? Or everything yet nothing? Why?

Here is the culmination of all things. Here is an instantaneous physical location resulting from all the physical locations passed to be where I am, where you are, where we all are. Here is the instantaneous state of being resulting from all the thoughts and feelings we've had so far combined with our openess to be here. We are all here but may not be here. Everything, but not one thing. Why not?

MattBurkett, on Jul 28 2004, 03:32 PM, said:

Where and when is your "here" and are you ever really there?

Here is now for all of us and we were all there a moment ago.

[Erik Warren]

A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the
master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen.

The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring.

The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer
restrain himself. "It's overfull! No more will go in!" the professor
blurted.

"You are like this cup," the master replied, "You are full of ideas.
You come and ask for teaching, but your cup is full; I can't put
anything in. Before I can teach you, you'll have to empty your cup."

[Sam]

"Excuse me, Sir! Can you tell me what time it is?", a concerned young man asked with urgency in his voice.

"Hmmmm, let's see, right now, it's actually..... the present".

The young man looked puzzled and a little angry.

Seeing his confusion, the old gent replied, "What other time is there, son?"

[SiG Lady]

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"...A language only interferes with Zen but without IT, how can IT be passed on."

Telepathically, of course!!!!!!
Dump the words!!!!!!

[short_round]

ah ... the infamous IT. Like we could talk about IT, but IT would be more fun if I showed you.

[texasag93]

Now I know why I haven't checked out this topic before. Kinda reminds my of my philosophy class in college! TX where am I? What time is it? Who am I? AG

[Dead Buff]

Telepathically: Wouldn't that also use words and expressions?

[benos]

Seems like a good place for a favorite Keizan quote (translated by Cleary):

"... So the Zen school does not set up words, but only transmits direct pointing, proceeding by means of seeing the essence of mind and realizing enlightenment. Therefore, in causing it to be purely transmitted [and] to let people know it is direct pointing, there is no other model. It is just carried out by having people directly subdue their conceptual faculty and be silent.
This not a matter of aversion to words or considering silence good; it is to let you know your mind is thus. Like clear water, like space, it is pure, clear, and sparkling clean, harmoniously fluid and unobstructed.

... Again I have a humble saying to illustrate this story:

Do not say that words and silence touch upon
The remote and subtle;
How can there be material senses
To defile inherent essence?"

[froglegs]

Sounds like a good place for this "SHOW ME HOW TO MAKE THIS LINE SHORTER" if I new how to make a line about three inches long here I would. so youl just have to imagine... Got the answer?

[MattBurkett]

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[kimel]

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[SiG Lady]

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"That's kinda what I meant.  Words don't cut it."

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[froglegs]

I assume that line is drawn next to mine? and I'm not sure a dot counts either way there both wrong sorry try again in a month. thats what I had to do

[kimel]

How is a dot not a very short line that just happens to be equal in width to length?