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[5-56mm]

Ok, I'm going to shoot a 3gun/precision rifle match in a couple of weeks. It's carbine, pistol, and precision rifle with targets to 1000 yards. I've shot my setup (Larue OBR Heavy/NF 2.5-10x32) out to 500, but thats it. I know that I will most likely not place well in the match, because LR shooting is something that is pretty new to me. I'm doing it for the experience and exposure to LR shooting, and hope to learn a lot.

I'm worried that my Nightforce may be inadequate for 700-1000 yards. Particularly, the NP-R2 reticle with 2MOA verticle hashes and 5 MOA horizontal hashes. It has the zero stop, so I shouldn't get lost when dialing. The turrets are 10MOA per turn, but it's gonna take 4 complete revolutions plus some to get to 1000k. I can use holdovers to 425 yards with my ammo, but thats it. Anything farther than that, and I will have to dial it out. The one thing that I know will happen with this match is multiple targets at varying range, and thats where I feel my equipment is going to limit my speed and efficiency.

I've been looking really hard at the Bushnell HDMR with G2DMR because #1 I can actually afford one, and #2 it has a very useable reticle for holdovers. The 3-21 power is a big plus too. Just looking at the .5 mil hashes on the vertical stadia, holdovers would be possible with this scope to 900 or so. As long as the wind is not blowing more than 10 mph, I could use windage holds as well with this optic. It just seems that this type of reticle makes sense for competition and practical use.

I've been thinking about replacing the NF anyway, but should I just shoot the match with what I've got or go for the HDMR? Thoughs, guidance, words of wisdom? Again, I'm new to precision rifle shooting, so my logic may be flawed!

[Seth Ritzman]

I recommend that you stay with the nightforce and shoot a couple matches, you might find that you prefer dialing your shots rather than using holdovers. Even with a NF, this is my preference. I want as much as possible to have my target centered in the scope and then try to spot the miss if necessary and correct based off a center shot. Less to think about than trying to remember what holdover point I used and then how to correct.

The G2DMR looks like a pretty good design and the power range also provides a lot of options.

However, NPR 2 is't bad, it's about the same on the vertical as a 1/2 Mil .25MOA different is all. The horizontal is a little worse. If you are given the ranges it won't matter at all. If you are given unknown distance and have to range with scope finer is always better. Try to take a look at other scopes at the match you are going to shoot.

A 10x will get the job done to 1k. Power is a preference. I've talked to alot of shooters who prefer 3-15 range, I prefer 5-25 range.

reticle design is another huge preference thing. I've shot mil-dot, Gen II (which is a mil/1/2mil) and Gen II XR, TMR/MLR, NPR2, NPR1, Horus (not sure which version), P4, and one of the USO designs I think it was the GAP mil dot. I like uncluttered cross-hairs, but there needs to be a ranging area. The G2DMR seems to have this in .1Mil increments on the outsides.

Do you have a 20 MOA riser or mount for your NF? For shooting a 308 to 1k, I would recommend that before a new scope.

[5-56mm]

Thanks for the insight, Seth.

I have a LaRue OBR, with a 20 MOA built in rail. I do have enough travel in the elevation turret to get to 1200 yards with the Nightforce. I was worried that at 10x, I would have trouble spotting misses and making corrections so I went ahead and ordered the Bushnell. I'm very impressed with the elite tactical 1-6.5x24 that I got last week. The glass is just as good, if not better that my NF. I've heard nothing but good things about the HDMR, and I really think the combination of higher magnification and the christmas tree reticle will prove to be better. I could hold wind and elevation with it, or dial and be able to spot misses and more accurately dial correction with that type of reticle.

[Outsydlooknin75]

Just hope that Bushnell has gotten rid of the chromatic aborations by now.

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[Robert Snyder]

I learned the Hard way about choosing Scopes. I was all hyped up on getting a NF that I went with the NXS 5X15 F1 with the LV.5 recticle before doing my home work. That particular recticle is set up for 308 175-SMK's and the lines are not anywhere close to even MOA's they are calculated holdovers for the ammo I mentioned. So going backwards I ordered the 3.5X21 HDMR Horus H59 for my 308 and the company that I bought my NF from was willing to take my NF back in exchange plus cash for the 5X15 NXS with the H59 recticle. So after spending a little more cash than I wanted I at Least have the same mil/mil on my 308 and my 18" 223. While i was at it I also bought the Kestrel 4500 with Horus so that I can set both Rifles up in it and with a few clicks I get my Hold over and windage correction. The Army and Marine Snipers are going this route as well as a result of that 1.5 mile shot that is on youtube, the Sniper had to hold is scope at an imaginary point and it took him 3 or 4 shots. I would rather have a grid myself as it seems so much easier to get a one shot hit. I know with tons of practice you can do it with less but with the cost of ammo the scopes I have chosen should more than make up for it in the long run.

[Stlhead]

So how did the match go? What optic did you end up running and how did it do?