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Started by RaylanGivens , May 24 2012 05:52 PM

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#1 RaylanGivens

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 05:52 PM

Is a Scherer grip plug legal for USPSA Production in a Glock 34?

Why would I ask this? Bob Vogel raved about how much easier a Scherer grip plug made reloading in his Glock 34... He was actually talking about IDPA at the time, so I thought I'd check about USPSA legality before I bought one...
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:01 PM

Per current USPSA rules, it is legal as long as it does not alter grip profile or extend past the bottom of the grip.

The Scherer plug is legal for Production. I have one in my G34.

Edited by jimzim, 24 May 2012 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:29 PM

Yep, flush fit = good to go.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:33 PM

legal. And I felt it helped on my 34 FWIW.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:09 AM

Thanks, guys!

No problems with magazines dropping free?
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 03:43 PM

No problems with magazines dropping free?


I've had zero issues with magazines failing to fall free due to the plug.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:48 PM

Thanks, guys!

No problems with magazines dropping free?


None! It acts like a mini magwell on insertion but does not touch the mags otherwise.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:13 PM

Thanks!

I'll grab one next time I place an order at Midway...
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Posted 29 May 2012 - 08:12 PM

Yep, I like mine in my 34. It isn't as fast as a full magwell, but it definitely beats the stock setup. I use one for IDPA SSP and USPSA Production.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:45 AM

keeps crap outta the gun too

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 06:24 AM

I think he's using the Pearce grip plug, well, they all look the same :)

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:22 PM

keeps crap outta the gun too


Hi Frank... It was nice shooting with you tonight... a little muddy, but fun!

I see you found my Scherer Grip Plug thread... As I mentioned, I originally found out about the Scherer Grip Plug in Bob Vogel's Mastering IDPA DVD... It does act as a mini-magwell... and it does protrude a bit below the bottom of the grip... That's why I asked if it was legal for USPSA here...

I got the Scherer grip plug this afternoon and practiced reloads before tonight's match... It does clean up the reload process... If they actually are legal, it's worth using IMO...
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 02:12 PM

Any issues with fit on a Gen 4?

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:06 PM

Any issues with fit on a Gen 4?


The plug I got was for a 3rd gen 34, which is what I have... I don't know if Scherer makes a grip plug for the 4th gen models...

However... after talking to frankge at our Friday night USPSA fun shoot... and after re-reading the USPSA Production Rules... I think these Scherer grip plugs are illegal...

Appendix D4 - Production Division

22.3 - External Plugs (Such as Seattle Slug)
Remains in effect - external plugs which alter the grip profile or exceed past the bottom of the grip are PROHIBITED.


The Scherer grip plugs do work well as a magwell, but they also extend past the grip... Per the rule above, I'm pretty sure that they are not legal... I'm now looking at different grip plugs that will be legal...
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 12:22 AM

Legal:
http://www.brownells...-for-GLOCK-reg-
http://www.brownells...-FOR-GLOCK-reg-


Illegal:
http://www.brownells...-for-GLOCK-reg-
http://www.brownells...-for-GLOCK-reg-
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 12:23 AM

http://www.uspsa.org...on=edit&indx=34
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 01:41 AM

Legal:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=7603/avs%7CMake_3=Glock/Product/GRIP-PLUG-for-GLOCK-reg-
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22520/avs|Make_3=Glock/Product/GRIP-FRAME-INSERT-FOR-GLOCK-reg-


Illegal:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1407/avs%7CMake_3=Glock/Product/SEATTLE-SLUG-MAG-GUIDE-for-GLOCK-reg-
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=13077/avs%7CMake_3=Glock/Product/SLUG-PLUG-trade-for-GLOCK-reg-



http://www.uspsa.org/rules/nroi_rulings.php?action=edit&indx=34


Excellent information!

Thank you very much for looking everything up and posting the links... I had never seen the "NROI Rulings" page before, so I saved that link for the future...
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 01:53 AM

:cheers:
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:52 AM

Another option for Gen 4s.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 11:55 PM

http://www.pearcegri...ts/GLOCK/PG-GFI

I replaced my Scherer plug with a legal plug from Pearce... Pearch calls their plug a Grip Frame Insert (GFI)... It fits flush with the heel of the grip and complies with the NROI Ruling... Rounded corners will help with reloads, so it is better than no plug at all...
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