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[gunguru]

In a local match, we had a stage with 4 targets at ±10 yds. The stage description ask for:

2 shot per target freestyle
Mandatory reload
2 shot per target Strong Hand only
No target stacking allowed in the first string
Comstock, no time limit

Not to hard, but fun as it's the 1st stage of the match.

My question: After shooting my 8 rounds FS, reloaded and shooting my 8 rounds SH, I saw than I may have some misses, I know I can shoot some more shot in order to "fill" the A zone (ok, bad for the time, but better get a few second penalty than a few misses), but how? I mean, Freestyle or Stong hand?

[SirLoin]

I believe you're allowed to do either.
Within 10 yards, if I just had to make up 1-2 shots, I'd probably just shoot it stronghand, as my faster splits from shooting freestyle might be outweighed by the time I'd need to reset my grip/aim from stronghand to freestyle.

Anything more than 10 yards, and if I had several misses, then that means I was going too fast and need to slow down -- so going freestyle would be better.

[Flexmoney]

No target stacking allowed in the first string
Comstock

Those are not compatible with each other. They mean opposite things, really.

[Flexmoney]

"Stacking" doesn't seem to be in the current IPSC rule book any more.

I'm not real happy with the IPSC wording here, but it would seem to apply if the stage had been properly setup and worded.

1.1.5.3 General Courses and Classifiers may specify shooting strong hand or weak hand only without the
need to enforce compliance using physical means (e.g. hook-and-loop fasteners etc.). The
specified hand must be used exclusively from the point stipulated for the remainder of the stage.


10.2.8 If a course of fire (or part thereof) stipulates shooting strong or weak hand only, a competitor will incur one
procedural penalty for each occurrence of touching the handgun (or scooping it from a table etc.) with the
other hand after the Start Signal (or from the point where single hand shooting has been stipulated).
Exceptions are releasing an external safety (without scooping), reloading or correcting a malfunction.
However, the procedural penalty will be applied on a "per shot fired" basis when a competitor uses the other
hand or arm to:

[Schutzenmeister]

"Stacking" doesn't seem to be in the current IPSC rule book any more.

Kyle

"Stacking" has disappeared from the IPSC book, I believe, because IPSC has totally eliminated VC and FT scoring (effective 1/1/12.) The only thing left is CS. Hence "stacking" is an obsolete term under IPSC rules.

As to the other question ... Once the shooter is required to shoot either SHO or WHO, that hand only must be used for the remainder of the stage. (i.e., "Freestyle" is no longer allowed.) IPSC 1.1.5.3 (Same as in USPSA rules ...)

Edited by Schutzenmeister, 13 March 2012 - 07:10 AM.

[gunguru]

You're true, in the new IPSC rule book, Only CS remain.

Does anybody will really miss the VC?


Maybe I used the wrong word by Stacking, I mean we are not allowed to shoot 4 rounds per target FS, then relaod, and shoot 1 round whatever we want SH, Or shoot 10 round FS (as here in CDA we're all limited to 10 rnds), then shoot only 6 SH.

But we have our answer now, thanks all.

[Schutzenmeister]

You're true, in the new IPSC rule book, Only CS remain.

Does anybody will really miss the VC?


Maybe I used the wrong word by Stacking, I mean we are not allowed to shoot 4 rounds per target FS, then relaod, and shoot 1 round whatever we want SH, Or shoot 10 round FS (as here in CDA we're all limited to 10 rnds), then shoot only 6 SH.

But we have our answer now, thanks all.

Yes ... I think IPSC's removal of VC and FT was a mistake. It was a valuable piece of our sport and required a certain discipline from the shooter not easily tested under CS scoring. Nevertheless, I am not the King of IPSC, hence my opinion did not rule!

I have not had the opportunity to shoot an IPSC rules match yet this year. I really do not know how the international community plans to handle the wording in the WSB to prevent - if in fact it can be prevented under a CS only scoring system - the situation you describe. (I personally do not believe it would be legal to tell a shooter he could not fire as many rounds as he desired at any target at any time during the CoF under CS scoring.)

While I realise the BE Forum technically fields questions from both USPSA and IPSC, it should be noted it principally deals with USPSA shooters and rules. If I may suggest ... Post this question to the Global Village where they deal exclusively in IPSC rules and see what Mr. Pinto has to say.

[Flexmoney]

You're true, in the new IPSC rule book, Only CS remain.

Does anybody will really miss the VC?

Yes. (but, I get to shoot USPSA...where it is still around)

You actually miss Virginia count too...as that is what the stage required to be legal, really.

Maybe I used the wrong word by Stacking,

You used the proper word...as that is exactly what was being described. However, it's a bad stage design/rule meld...as Comstock means you get to shoot as much as you want.