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#51 Kevin LA

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 12:56 AM

I have found the high bore axis statement from some folks interesting so I measured from the center of the bore to where the grip met my hand on my Glock, my XD and my 1911 SS. The Glock had the lowest distance, about .10" shorter than the XD. But my 1911 was .20" higher than the XD. From my perspective (and I mainly shoot SS), a gun with an external hammer is always going to have a higher bore axis than a striker fired system. YMMV.

This is my observation as well when I compare xd9 with 1911. Thanks mr. 10mm for measuring them. I don't understand why so many ppl bashing xd for high bore axis.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 08:29 AM

I measured the following guns and going from highest bore axis to lowest is....

1911
XDM
M&P
Glock



This is my observation as well when I compare xd9 with 1911. Thanks mr. 10mm for measuring them. I don't understand why so many ppl bashing xd for high bore axis.



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Posted 29 August 2011 - 02:12 PM

My point is you don't hear as many 1911 shooter complaining about high bore axis, which is even higher than xd.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 12:34 PM

Because there are too many sheep in competition shooting...It's not my intent to insult anyone, I'm just observing what I've seen. I've had owners of pistols costing 3-4 times as much (the 1911 crowd) sneer at my XD 9 Tactical, and say..when are you gonna get a real gun? Well, I didn't have the heart to say, when you can shoot a complete match with yours without a malfunction, I may consider it. The only approval I need is on the score card. My XD has had some upgrades, trigger work, sights, etc. It runs like a champ, if I do my part...it does it's part. The reason I chose it were feel, cost, and ability to customize with the upgrades mentioned before. Shoot what you like, and if it feels right..run with it! Talent takes you further than aggressive spending.

Edited by Standby!, 01 September 2011 - 01:54 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:18 PM

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The main problem seems to me to be the availability of parts for competition shooters. You can buy drop in trigger kits for Glocks that'll take 'em down to 2-2 1/2lbs and many other aftermarket parts are available at good prices. M&P parts I don't know about. I don't own one so I'm not up to minute on what S&W will or will not sell you at this time. I do know from working on some of their revolvers in the past that they would sell you just about anything you asked for for those. M&P's triggers are quite easy to do, though you need some mechanical aptitude or gunsmithing skills. XD's... not so much. Though trigger parts are now readily available, they require more skill to install and most times do not get you to that same level of pull as the Glock drop in's do, and they lighten up the striker fall somewhat too if you go for the maximum reduction in pull. However, the results are surprisingly good from the various kits I have installed (Both Springer and Powder River). Things like strikers themselves and other internals are much harder to come by for XD's. Things are looking up though, and as more and more people use these guns in competition, other aftermarket parts will become available.

We Just released our Drop In trigger kit for the XDM. The results are impressive about 45% reduction in trigger movement and around 3.5-4.5LBS trigger pull with out any fitting. You can take a look at by following the link.

PRP XDM Drop In Trigger Kit

As for the slide weight...I Think that SA has did an out standing job. The new 5.25 9mm slide has the same weight as the 4.5 and the 3.8 9mm down to the gram. Also the .40cal slides are slightly heaver than the 9mm's as it should be.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:07 PM

last year I did a little research, went to a few local gun stores, and kinda had in the back of my head an idea of what I wanted. I've been shooting a BHP for quite a few years now and knew it was time for an upgrade. So I wasn't ready yet to "pull the trigger" yet (pun intended har har) but my friend bought a glock. I shot it, it was ok, I hated the sights, but that's easily corrected. I just didn't like the feel. Also after seeing that dumb ATF agent shoot himself in the leg with a class full of kids, and I learned you have to pull the trigger to decock before a strip, that was a saftey violation in my mind and was an immediate dq for the glock.

Then my sis in law wanted to buy her first gun, told me what she had to spend and I told her she could get a good gun for the money. We hit the local gun store. She tried a few guns including the glock and M&P and I think a sig or two. None of them she liked. On the other side of the store they had the spring fields and I said, the XDM is good gun. She picked it up and immediately liked the feel and though she wanted the 2-tone she bought the black model 4.5". I got a chance to shoot it and it was at the time the most accurate out of the box pistol I've ever shot. I was ripping up the paper with a brand new gun I've never shot before and it was beautifully sighted in.

I was still in the market for a new gun, but hadn't had the money yet because I wanted to buy a shot gun, was starting a 2nd business, etc.. (life happens) I had my choice narrowed down to the M&P pro because I wanted to get into competition and really wanted something longer than 4.5". Also the front sight and trigger pull on the pro was a plus over the xdm 4.5. Sorry XDM, I thought, it was always in the back of my head a little buyers remorse even though I didn't buy the M&P yet.

Then my book keeper expressed an interest in buying a pistol, and I sold him my kel-tec p9. Well he fell in love with shooting, what sane person wouldn't. But he wanted some thing full size so to the gun store we went. He asked what he should get, we tried the usual, the unusual and then I pushed him towards the xdm. he liked the feel. A few days later he went in and bought it. Ooops, he got the 45 instead of the 9 he wanted. Upon pickup I went to the store with him and noticed his mistake. The gun store graciously allowed him (and me Yay!) to try for free their 45 and their 9 xdm models on the range, just pay for ammo. I loved both and was suprised how accurate the 45 was because I guess I am a puss, I really don't like a 45 acp, or so I thought. Anyways he settled on the 9mm and a few days later he had it and I won a bet that I could keep a 4" group at 50 feet with it.

So people asked me since I was XDM's #1 cheerleader why I didn't own one yet. I always answered I want something longer than the 4.5. I almost bought the m&p a couple times, but the price locally was high and I just didn't feel like going the gun broker route. Then I heard the XDM was releasing the 5.25" and I put aside all thoughts of picking up the M&P pro. Immediately I wanted the xdm 5.25. Saturday 2 weeks ago I went to two gun stores, because I wanted to touch feel smell and taste the gun before I made the purchase. I saw the M&P pro had dropped in price substantially, enough that I was confused again which to get. Well last Saturday I reluctantly decided to pick up the M&P pro because it was $560 vs the DM 5.25 which was $730. After doing the math I figured the M&P would be cheaper even after buying the holsters and extra mag. So I went to buy the M&P.

I guess it was fate that I bought the XDM because when I went to buy the M&P 9 pro, they sold it already and the clerk (whom I'd never seen before) at the gun store was telling me he could not sell it to me anyways because I was not LE. WTF? That's another story. I immediately went to the other gun store recognizing my destiny and bought the XDM 5.25! So why did I buy the XDM? The only answer I can come up with is Fate, it was meant to be.


Sorry for the long post, I guess I felt like typing :) Either that or I'm in love

Edited by Hamma Slamma, 01 September 2011 - 08:15 PM.


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Posted 02 September 2011 - 12:01 AM

Congratulations on the new XDM 5.25" I doubt that you will ever have any regrets. In the long run the price of the pistol is a small part of the shooting equation... after ammo, mags, and range fees ect. The funny thing is that it is usually the most agonizing purchase.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:05 AM

I love the grip safety on my XD's; especially for conceal carry. Why would someone want to disable it? I think it's a great safety feature for competition shooting, too. But, that's not why I bought it. It was on sale, and it felt good in the hand. Glocks, M&P's, CZ's, etc., are all good guns, too. But, I will continue to buy XD's because they are very familiar to me now, and why switch to something less familar when I'm trying to progress in practical shooting.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:14 AM

I love the grip safety on my XD's; especially for conceal carry. Why would someone want to disable it? I think it's a great safety feature for competition shooting, too. But, that's not why I bought it. It was on sale, and it felt good in the hand. Glocks, M&P's, CZ's, etc., are all good guns, too. But, I will continue to buy XD's because they are very familiar to me now, and why switch to something less familar when I'm trying to progress in practical shooting.

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For me its the lack of a .22 LR practice XD/XDM gun or kit. I also dont like grip safeties, they annoy me.

I think more is made about the bore axis then the reality of it being a hinderance.




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