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#1 01G8R

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 11:07 AM

First let me say I've read the good, bad and ugly about X-Treme Bullets. I also understand X-Treme retail prices are more than MG, but the X-Treme volume discount makes them significantly more affordable than MG.

I'm looking for some first hand info if anyone has loaded their 9mm bullets to major PF. Specifically the 115gr and 124gr bullets. According to X-Treme their pistol bullets can go 1500 fps without any problem. They also told me their plated rifle bullets are plated to the same thickness as the pistol bullets and those can go upwards of 2700 fps without problems. I ordered some samples so I will have some results in a couple of days if no one has tried them. Thanks for the help.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 11:14 AM

I tried them at major, they came apart. I tried them at minor, they came apart. I had exactly zero crimp, they came apart or tumbled. I wouldn't wast the reloading components on them if somebody gave them to me to practice with. Posted Image
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:57 PM

Can you tell me when you got the components that you had trouble with?

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 07:36 PM

I got my samples yesterday. Loaded 115gr Round Nose with 4.2gr of Titegroup 1.130 OAL. This is my normal minor load with MG bullets. No key holing, slightly faster than MG bullets out of a Glock 17L. 1175fps Avg with SD of 7. Didn't get any tumbling that I could tell. Nice clean holes at 20yards. Accuracy was less than I'm used to with MG, but these are the first plated bullets I've loaded and I may need to play with the crimp some.

Loaded 115gr Round Nose with 8.3gr Silhouette at 1.165 OAL. My normal major load is 8.5gr, but I wanted to start a little lower to see if I had any problems. SVI 4.25" barrel with 3 holes and a 4 port comp. 1367fps Avg with SD of 22. I need to figure out why the SD is higher than I expected. Same comments on accuracy as above. I didn't find any traces of lead in the barrel or comp and I didn't have any key holing at 20 yards. I'll crank it up to 8.5gr and report back.

I have some 124gr bullets too. I will be loading those and see how they do. I've never shot 124s through my open gun, but with all the people running them I figured I would try them.

Anyone have a good way to recover bullets to inspect then after they have been fired? I was thinking some water jugs, but figured someone might have a better idea.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 11:46 PM

Sand works too.

I use Xtreme plated in my commercial ammo and it does well. I push the 124gr 9mm to 1100fps.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 07:01 AM

If you have read the bad and ugly you should have all the first hand knowledge you need. Even your results should give you a hint. These bullets are just bad all day, all day yesterday and all day tomorrow. You cant wish a bad product into performing better.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 10:22 AM

Loaded 115gr Round Nose with 8.3gr Silhouette at 1.165 OAL. My normal major load is 8.5gr, but I wanted to start a little lower to see if I had any problems. SVI 4.25" barrel with 3 holes and a 4 port comp. 1367fps Avg with SD of 22. I need to figure out why the SD is higher than I expected. Same comments on accuracy as above. I didn't find any traces of lead in the barrel or comp and I didn't have any key holing at 20 yards. I'll crank it up to 8.5gr and report back.


Do you really expect to pick up 100+fps by increasing the charge .2gr? 1467fps would be 168PF (which isn't much margin for error)...hard to imagine that little change making that much increase in velocity.

What sort of velocity were you getting with 8.5gr and a jacketed bullet? I would expect plated to be faster than jacketed, which makes it even more odd. R,
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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:49 PM

Thanks for the input everyone. I worked on some more loads with these bullets, but I just can't get the accuracy that I'm used to with jacketed bullets. I tried more and less crimp than before and I'm not satisfied. A slightly tighter crimp did tighten up the groups. 3 to 4 inch groups at 20 yards off hand. I ran my MG load side by side this morning and was 1.75" at the same distance. I did get the 115gr bullets up to 1420 fps without them coming apart. I shot them at 45 yards and didn't see any signs of them tumbling or coming apart, but the accuracy was poor at this distance. 7.7 gr of Silhouette under the 124gr bullets was getting me ~1320 fps. I only ran about 10 over the chrono because I was more interested in checking the accuracy with different crimps.

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I get 1420 to 1440 fps running jacketed bullets with 8.5gr of Silhouette. I should have clarified that in my earlier post. I loaded a bunch at 8.5gr when I had a stock STI Trubor, but have since switched to a shorter SVI with barrel holes and a different comp. I haven't worked up a new load to get back to ~172pf for the new gun. I was not expecting to get 100fps increase with .2gr more powder. I was worried about the plated bullets coming apart and wanted to start a little slower.

Long story short is that they didn't come apart at 1420 fps (highest fps I saw with 8.5gr), but I don't think I will switch from MG because of the accuracy issue. I'll work up the load for my new gun with MG bullets and stick with that. It's not worth it for me to put the time into these for my open gun. I'll load them up and shoot them out of my Glock in practice.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 02:45 PM

I have not shot Xtremes in a 9mm specifically, so I can only comment on the bullets I've shot (10mm).
In my 10mm I've ran them in excess of 1400 fps (155 gr). I've ran their 180gr too (1250+ fps). I've never had any issues and they are excellent shooting bullets. My dad has run them in his .357 mag and chronod them at 1600fps. I've only shot a few thousand of them, but I haven't had a single one that was bad.
I've shot my 10mm at 75+ yards before and hit a 20x30" target every time. I've also done penetration test and the 180gr Xtremes went through 6 sheets of 3/4" mdf with minimal deformation (I still have a handful that look like they could be loaded again from that test). So I don't know how people are getting plated bullets to blow up and keyhole. But I've heard the same story about most every brand of plated bullets, yet I have first and 2nd hand experience with Rainer, Berry's, Xtremes being pushed hard and shooting extremely well while other say they can't get one to leave the barrel without blowing up or keyholing.

Maybe its gun specific, or powder specific?
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 07:57 PM

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I read your previous post on the subject and that was one of the reasons I decided to try them out. I didn't experience any key holing and my gun didn't blow up with the 115gr bullets going over 1400fps. They seem to be staying together just fine. My main problem was the accuracy. I had no problems hitting a 18"x24" steel with the gun out to 45 yards, but the groups I shot just don't measure up to my jacketed groups. I believe there is a certain crimp that will work properly in each individual gun. I'm not going to spend the time working on that for my Open gun. My Open gun has an AET barrel and that may be part of the accuracy issue with the plated bullets.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 05:59 PM

I tried them at major, they came apart. I tried them at minor, they came apart. I had exactly zero crimp, they came apart or tumbled. I wouldn't wast the reloading components on them if somebody gave them to me to practice with. angry.gif


How do you know they come apart? I tested 300 rounds of 115 gr at 1500 and no keyholes... About 2" accurate at 25 yards out of my czechmate... Thanks

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:26 PM

I have used several thousand of the 124 gr in my 38 Super Comp at speeds above 1400 fps with no issues ...


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:27 PM

Joe4d says, "These bullets are just bad..." 

 

Obviously, not everyone agrees with that statement.  I sure don't agree. 

 

I've been shooting Xtreme bullets (formerly known as West Coast Bullets) for well over a decade with good results.  Mostly .45ACP 230 gr, and more recently .38 Short Colt 147 gr. 

 

Obviously not at 'magnum' velocity, but Major PF (.45ACP) and Minor PF (.38 Short Colt). 

 

I'll agree they're not exactly Bullseye match quality, but they've worked well for me (and many others) for steel plate, bowling pin, USPSA and ICORE matches. 

 

That said, I also use Montana Gold (.45 230 gr and .357 142 gr) and am happy with them. 

 

I live only about an hour from Xtreme, but its difficult for me to go there during their open hours.  I long for the days back when Angela (before they sold to the current bigger outfit) would bring bullets to shooters when she would be shooting at a weekend match! 



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:38 PM

I have never tried the 9mm at major, but have heard that the plating is thicker on the HPs.  If anyone wants to try some of the Xtremes, shoot me an IM.  I carry HPs and the standard versions.  I can sell them in smaller lots if you don't want to jump in for a 500 round box.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 05:24 AM

I have shot well over 30K of West Coast/X-treem, never a problem and they have always been great to deal with. 


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:23 AM

Is this an issue of powder? barrel length? Im confused. I have also shot over 5k of the 180s at  major PF without an issue.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:40 AM

I shoot 9 Major exclusively with Xtreme bullets and am very happy with them. The fastest I've shot one was a 100gr at 1650fps (a load I was told by many here would pattern like a shotgun) and they grouped perfectly.

Granted my Open gun is a CZ, not a 2011, so my results may be irrelevant to you :)

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 07:14 AM

I have only good things to say about RMR/X-Treme projectiles. Never had an issue and they shoot great in all of my guns. If you want them fast order from RMR, if can wait a week or so order from X-Treme if you live on the East Coast. The accuracy difference between them and jacketed once you find the sweet spot is negligible. If you over crimp them then you will be posting the same stuff you will read in the first part of this thread from back in 2010.

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